October 7, 2024 Design Review Board Meeting

1. Call to Order and Meeting Procedure Review
2. BCDC Staff Updates
3. Public Comment for items not on the agenda
4. Bay Adapt Regional Shoreline Adaptation Plan; Second Review
   The Design Review Board will hold its review of the Public Draft Regional Shoreline Adaptation Plan (RSAP). When finalized, the RSAP guidelines will be used by local jurisdictions for developing Subregional Implementation Plans, required by Senate Bill 272 (Laird 2023), that effectively address local and regional climate risks.
   (Dana Brechwald) [415/352-3656; dana.brechwald@bcdc.ca.gov]
   Staff Report // Draft Regional Shoreline Adaptation Plan
5. Adjournment

Temazcal Meeting Room: Alright. Thank you for joining us tonight for the Bcdc Design Review Board meeting. I’d like to remind Board members to please speak directly into the microphone in front of you and have it on only when you want to speak. And please ensure that your video on your laptops is always on, but your audio is disabled.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Ning.

Temazcal Meeting Room: my name is Gary Strang. I’m the vice chair of the Bcdc. Design Review board, and I’m sitting in tonight for Jacinta Mccann, our chair, who’s not able to be here?

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’re located at the Metro Center in San Francisco, and our 1st order of business is to call the Roll

Temazcal Meeting Room: Board members. Please unmute yourself to respond and then mute yourselves again. After responding.

Temazcal Meeting Room: These call the roles. Now

Temazcal Meeting Room: vice chair, string, present

Temazcal Meeting Room: board, member, Battaglio

Temazcal Meeting Room: President.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Board, member Chow.

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Board, Member Hall

Temazcal Meeting Room: present

Temazcal Meeting Room: and board Member Pellegrini will be joining us.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The staff in the room are myself, Ashley, Tomerlin, Yuriko, Jewett, Dana Breckold, and Jackie Perrin Martinez.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Hey? Thank you, Ashley, we have a quorum presence. So we are duly constituted to conduct business.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Do we have members from the public attending.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I know we have one here in person. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m thinking, I might just read the 1st part. And if there are people online. I’ll read that, too. But there’s a lot of

Temazcal Meeting Room: a lot to go through. Go through all of it.

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Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Stefan Pellegrini has just

Temazcal Meeting Room: joined us.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Ashley. Hi, thank you. Gary.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I want to thank all the Board members for their feedback and direction you provided for updating the Drb. Staff reports at the last meeting

Temazcal Meeting Room: we will be working to include the feedback in our upcoming staff reports.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We are not having a Drb. Meeting in November, but have meetings tentatively, tentatively scheduled for December 9th and January 6th

Temazcal Meeting Room: December would be a review of a proposed housing development in Richmond, near Craneway Pavilion and Rosie the Riveter

Temazcal Meeting Room: and January would be a review of the San Francisco, Rpd. East Harbor and Marina Green Project.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We have some projects of interest coming to the Commission before the end of the year

Temazcal Meeting Room: in November an amendment to the Richmond San Rafael Bridge that, among other changes, would allow for the Bay trail pathway to be used as a breakdown lane and shoulder during higher commute days.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and India Basin shoreline Park is scheduled to go to the Commission in December, India Basin, Shoreline Park came to the Drb. In November 2016,

Temazcal Meeting Room: February 2020, and most recently in September 2023.

Temazcal Meeting Room: As for new public access, the port of San Francisco has installed a temporary public space activation project called Little Embarcadero at Fisherman’s Wharf.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It’s part of the ongoing efforts to enhance the embarcadero and fisherman’s wharf area with amenities to draw more visitors

Temazcal Meeting Room: as part of the project. The port is collecting user data to inform success and operational needs.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Another longer term. Planning effort is looking to rebuild a pier 45 shed, as well as renovating the triangle, parking lot and staff hope to bring this project to you to the Board sometime in 2025,

Temazcal Meeting Room: and lastly, you will have received an email to complete your mandatory ethics training. Please complete this by the end of 2024, and please reach out to me if you need the link we sent.

Temazcal Meeting Room: That, concludes the Bcdc. Staff update. I’ll pause here to answer any questions from the board.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s no questions from the board. We’ll keep moving.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We have an opportunity for people to make

Temazcal Meeting Room: public comments for items, not on the agenda.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’ll start with those members of the public in our headquarters headquarters building today.

Temazcal Meeting Room: please.

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Temazcal Meeting Room: as mentioned at the beginning of the meeting.

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Temazcal Meeting Room: are there?

Temazcal Meeting Room: We have no public comments.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: so with that, we can move on to the

Temazcal Meeting Room: The review of the Bay, adapt

Temazcal Meeting Room: draft, regional shoreline, adaptation plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: This is agenda. Item 4,

Temazcal Meeting Room: which is the review of the Bay. Adapt draft, regional shoreline adaptation plan in June. The Board reviewed the draft, adaptation, Strategy and Pathways, standard sections from the plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But to remind you of the Project Review order, there will be a Bcdc. Staff presentation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: then Board clarifying questions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: period of public comment

Temazcal Meeting Room: followed by board discussion and summary.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and a staff response at the end.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So with that Bcdc. Dana Breckwald, assistant planning director for climate adaptation will introduce the project.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Great. Thank you. We’ll just get our slides shared up here. It’s a pleasure to be back today. The last time we spoke to you you had seen snippets of the draft, and I’m pleased to say that we’ve come a long way since then in a very short period of time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we’re happy to share the complete draft with you today and

Temazcal Meeting Room: let you know how you can

Temazcal Meeting Room: provide comments today as well as the official public comment period that ends next Friday.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So you can just go to

Temazcal Meeting Room: so we’ll just start with there. We’re gonna take you through a journey this evening? In 3 different parts. First, st

Temazcal Meeting Room: actually talking about the background and context and the role of the regional shoreline adaptation plan. We’ve done some clarification since our meeting in June on how we’re describing what this is and and what it means for cities. Jackie will spend a good amount of time diving into the content of the draft.

Temazcal Meeting Room: What are the requirements? What are the policy implications? What are the standards? And then I’ll talk a little bit again about what our next steps are for Bcdc. Our work does not end in December, when this goes to the Commission for adoption

Temazcal Meeting Room: and how you can participate in the public comment period. And then, however long doesn’t have to be 45 min, we have for questions and answers.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So let’s get into what this plan is and what it means for local governments. I 1st just want to.

Temazcal Meeting Room: If you haven’t gone through all this content already. Just let you know that we are in the middle of our public comment phase for the regional shoreline adaptation plan. The public draft went out on September 16, th and it’s been distributed to all affected local governments in the region, as well as other interested parties, special districts, etc. We had an interested parties list of of over a thousand.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The draft is available on the Bcdc and bead up websites along with a link to a staging viewer for an online data mapping platform.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And this is a precursor to a tool we will be launching in early 2025, which I’ll talk about later.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s a 2 pager with some basics about the plan and all sorts of other goodies on our website.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There are 4 ways to provide official public comment, an online comment form that you can fill out. You can either mail or email a public comment letter, or and this is coming up quickly. And I encourage you to attend this, if you if you so wish. We’re having a public hearing on October 17.th So a week from Thursday, at one Pm. Here in

Temazcal Meeting Room: Bcdc’s offices at our commission meeting, and you can attend either in person or virtually over over zoom.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So just to know that questions and comments raised today are not recorded as official public comment on this item.

Temazcal Meeting Room: If you would like to submit comments through one of these 4 official

Temazcal Meeting Room: avenues, you can.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and we welcome that as well.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So you’ve probably seen a similar slide to this the last time we presented. But what is a regional shoreline adaptation plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and in the simplest terms. It’s a region wide plan for the bay shoreline that guides the creation of locally coordinated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: locally planned, coordinated sea level rise adaptation actions that all work together to meet regional goals.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It works by combining a top down with a bottom up approach the regional approach includes a region wide. One bay vision. For what adaptation planning along the bay shoreline should look like

Temazcal Meeting Room: and and strategic regional priorities that identify region, wide vulnerability issues that need to be addressed in local adaptation planning, and Jackie will go into these in more detail later. In the presentation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the plan guidelines and minimum standards and minimums. Set the standards for regional shoreline

Temazcal Meeting Room: regional. Sub.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Excuse me, this is the second time we’ve given this presentation today. So apologies for this sets the standards for subregional shoreline adaptation plans which all cities and counties are now required to develop. The guidelines tell you how to develop the plan and create adaptation strategies that meet consistent standards that advance the one bay vision.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we’ll spend time going through this document today and talking about why it’s been created and what it means for local adaptation planning.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So before we get into the contents of the plan, I want to share a bit of background about Bcdc. And why we’re the agency that was named to develop these guidelines and a review and approve these plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: As you know, we’ve been serving the region since 1965 to protect the bay and its shoreline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and we have done a lot of work over the past dozen or so years to recognize sea level rise and the changing shoreline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’ve included policies that impact our permitting and done some non-regulatory initiatives, such as the Bay adopt joint platform, which was published in 2021

Temazcal Meeting Room: that establishes regional agreement on the actions necessary to protect people and the natural and built environment from rising sea levels.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The regional shoreline, regional shoreline adaptation, plan implements. Many of the actions in the bay adapt, join platform, and follows our bay, adapt guiding principles.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and our work is also designed to align and support the work of other regional agencies like Plan Bay Area 2050, and the estuary blueprint.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So, in short, what we’re bringing to the Rsap is building upon a decade plus of foundational studies and initiatives.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And it’s also responsive to all that we’ve heard from local governments and the extensive engagement we’ve done, not just in the Rcep outreach process, but over the past dozen or so years.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So, though each city has and county has its own unique qualities, concerns and priorities. We’re all linked due to our shared shoreline

Temazcal Meeting Room: impacts in one part of the region will have a ripple effect throughout the whole bay, and different communities are also at different stages of planning, so some need support to even get started on this

Temazcal Meeting Room: effectively protecting our communities now and into the future requires us to act together as a connected region.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Because of that, the goal of our regional shoreline adaptation plan is to ensure that adaptation is coordinated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that we reduce and avoid unintended negative impacts on our neighbors.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Resources are available to frontline communities who’ve endured historic harms. We prioritize plan for and protect the long long term health for our wetlands, coastal habitats.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We act strategically as a region to implement projects and support the systems we all rely on.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We develop common standards and methods so that we can share data and information. We develop a pipeline for effective funding, and that we have the ability to track and measure our progress, so that we know how to continuously adapt to this challenge over time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So by now

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’ve probably convinced you why sea level rise at an adaptation. Adaptation, planning at the regional scale is important for the region, but to add extra fuel to the fire.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Local adaptation, planning is now recognized by the State as important and required by law.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Last year a new statewide legislation, called Sb. 2, 72 was signed into law by the Governor.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and this requires that local jurisdictions develop subregional shoreline adaptation plans. By January 2034

Temazcal Meeting Room: Bcdc’s job is to develop the guidelines that these plans must follow by December of 2024. So we’re under a legislative deadline here.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then following that, we will review and approve or deny subregional plans based on consistency with the guidelines.

Temazcal Meeting Room: cities, and counties also have the opportunity to apply for funding to complete these plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then approved plans should unlock dollars for the implementation of projects.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and even though this law is new, adaptation, planning in the bay is not, the Rsap sets out a complete soup to nuts process to develop a compliant plan, but many cities are likely to already have pieces of these plans completed.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we’re committed to working with each community to meet them where they are and complete these plans and build upon what’s already been done locally.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I just want to acknowledge that even though we say this a lot in our presentations. We are working on updating the language in the plan itself, to better reflect our commitment to flexibility.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So cities and counties within Bcdc’s jurisdiction, which you know, generally covers a hundred foot band inland from the shoreline are required to develop these subregional shoreline adaptation plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: This table shows the cities and counties that fall in this category.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and you’ll also see that some of the cities have an asterisk next to them who are not within BCC’s jurisdiction, but are projected to be impacted by coastal flood hazards in the near term.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and may want to engage in planning for that reason, even though it’s not required.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Special districts likewise are not required to develop plans, but can and should play a critical role in the development of local plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And we’ve spoken with several special districts who are very interested in being engaged in this process.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Each city and county may choose to prepare their own plan, especially if they’re already advanced in their planning process.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But we also encourage neighboring cities and counties to work together to create a multi-jurisdictional plan

Temazcal Meeting Room: that looks across borders and looks at impacts and solutions across jurisdictional boundaries.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So now I’ll turn it over to Jackie to take a deep dive into the contents of the Rsap.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Great thanks, Dana. Hello, everyone! Jackie Perrin Martinez. I’m a senior climate adaptation planner at Bcdc. And the project manager for the regional shoreline adaptation plan. I’m excited to dive into a little bit more of an overview of the details. I know some of this should be familiar, since you all saw it a few months ago, but we have made a lot of, I think, refinements to what you’ll see today and going forward, I’ll probably just say Rsap for short

Temazcal Meeting Room: so I want to start by saying that we were really intentional about our goals for developing the Rsap, and especially for developing the guidelines. In this document, which outline the requirements for local jurisdictions, to prepare subregional shoreline adaptation plans

Temazcal Meeting Room: from the very conception we aim to ensure that the guidelines are designed to be flexible and provide multiple avenues to meet requirements that they encourage alignment across multiple planning processes.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The guidelines are right sized, meaning that they recognize differing levels of capacity and don’t leave smaller or lower capacity jurisdictions behind

Temazcal Meeting Room: that they build upon existing efforts through allowing use of existing elements that meet the guidelines

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that they’re impactful, that they respond to the needs facing local jurisdictions and are locally adopted, codified.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and provide the right level of information to catalyze implementation of policies and projects

Temazcal Meeting Room: for sea level rise adaptation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The Rsap was collaboratively developed through multiple forms of engagement. We heard from community members through local community events, and we co-hosted local workshops in partnership with 5 community-based organizations to test an initial version of the draft guidelines, we deeply engage with subject matter experts through our advisory group who reviewed multiple drafts of the Rsap before the one that we’re sharing with you all today. And in fact, this is draft number 3.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We also shared an early draft with local government planners and practitioners. We held a planner and practitioner workshop in July to ensure that these guidelines were reviewed by folks who would really be using this and that they work and make sense for for those audiences.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And lastly, we’ve been touring the region and speaking at Mayor’s Conferences and County Supervisor meetings to share what we’ve been working on as widely as possible.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And thanks to all of you who have reviewed various versions of this, and also provided comments.

Temazcal Meeting Room: as you might imagine all of this engagement yielded an enormous amount of feedback. Unfortunately, I can’t go over all of the feedback that we received, but I just want to highlight some of the common themes that we heard, and that we have been working to address in this plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: First, st we heard about the critical importance of emphasizing habitats and nature-based solutions throughout the document.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and we’ve worked to make it clear that a healthy future bay is an integral part of how we see the future of adaptation along the bay shoreline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We also heard about the need to provide consideration for existing as well as new developments, and we’ve included this in our strategic regional priorities and in our adaptation strategy standards.

Temazcal Meeting Room: we heard a desire for flexibility to work with existing plans, which we mentioned often is our intent and goal. And, as Dana said, we’re going to continue to really look at this draft and see how we can further make that clear in the document itself.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We also heard the need to ensure that shoreline solutions are based on local context, and we’ll share how the guidelines include this bottom up approach to achieving this local nuance. While working towards regional goals.

Temazcal Meeting Room: we heard some requests for simplification and clarity about what is required. This draft really seeks to provide clear instructions and remove guesswork about what we’re looking for.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We include a complete plan submittal checklist to make it clear what we’re asking for and why

Temazcal Meeting Room: we’ve also had a lot of discussion about what coastal flood hazards to include and the appropriate sea level rise projections to use. So we can follow up on some of those if if folks have questions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And lastly, while BC. While this has been a relatively fast timeline, we have heard an appreciation for Bcdc’s efforts to include so many stakeholders and make meaningful changes to our drafts in response to those comments.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So with that context, let’s dive into an overview of the document itself.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s 3 main sections in this draft section one is the introduction. It provides the underlying science and context for the Rsap and the subregional shoreline adaptation plans

Temazcal Meeting Room: section 2 is our one bay vision which includes our strategic regional priorities. This section can be thought about as our regional approach. That top down plan to ensuring that the contribution of local adaptation adds up to a shared set of outcomes for the region.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and section 3 provides the subregional shoreline adaptation plan guidelines which speak to the requirements of Sb. 2, 72.

Temazcal Meeting Room: This is that bottom up component where local planning will engage with their local communities identify local priorities and develop adaptation strategies suitable to their local conditions, context and community values and goals.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You can find this graphic at the beginning of the document which provides a nice, helpful orientation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So, starting with the one bay vision, we shared this with you earlier. But I’m just going to give a highlight of of it. In the context of the whole plan. The one bay vision defines the regional outcomes of adaptation that we’re collectively striving to achieve.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It serves as the foundation for the subregional plan guidelines to ensure that local planning contributes to these key outcomes that are necessary for a resilient future bay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The one bay vision includes a statement for the region as a whole which acknowledges the interconnectedness of our region society. And these issues, and a vision statement and goal for 8 individual topic areas that represent key categories addressed throughout the plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The regional vision is is more than just this one paragraph. But I’ll start with the 1st sentence, just as this overview.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And it starts by stating, as sea levels rise, the Bay area’s diverse communities come together to transform how we live, work, plan, and adapt. Along our changing shorelines for each topic area. The vision statements state that as sea levels rise, communities are healthy and vibrant.

Temazcal Meeting Room: healthy baylands, ecosystems, thrive places are designed for changing shorelines, critical services are reliable, the bay shoreline is accessible to all safe and reliable transportation connects us all people and ecosystems are safe from contamination risks

Temazcal Meeting Room: and regional collaboration drives efficient and effective adaptation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Each of these 8 topic areas have a corresponding strategic regional priority. These are the critical issues that affect the well-being of our entire region and include issues that must be addressed across jurisdictional boundaries through the subregional plan guidelines. We require that local jurisdictions that contain any of these regional priorities include them in their local planning and describe their part in contributing to these regional and wide-ranging benefits.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I’m going to touch on each of these briefly. So you have a sense of what these priorities are. These include reducing displacement of communities on the front lines. Let me get my

Temazcal Meeting Room: animations. Going. There we go, reducing displacement of communities on the front lines. To do this we ensure that local plans include actions to mitigate this displacement risk

Temazcal Meeting Room: ensuring Bayland’s ecosystems are complete and connected.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m 1 ahead. Let me back up. Okay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We require that habitats are improved not only locally in our adaptation standards, but as a strategic priority that they are planned for across jurisdictional boundaries. As we all know, nature doesn’t follow those lines

Temazcal Meeting Room: promoting safe and strategic growth and density. We utilize plan bay areas.

Temazcal Meeting Room: growth geographies and encourage growth in these locations to meet regional housing and development needs

Temazcal Meeting Room: maintaining reliable critical and emergency services, we ensure key critical infrastructure are prioritized to maintain the services provided which often cross jurisdictional boundaries.

Temazcal Meeting Room: improving connected regional shoreline access. We require that public access and access to regionally significant parks and trails, stays connected across shoreline adaptation projects

Temazcal Meeting Room: maintaining the regional movement of people and goods. We ensure that local plans incorporate how the functions of these key assets will be maintained into the future.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Another priority is reducing contamination in environmental justice communities. I’m sorry. I’m sorry to scroll down and move this across all right there. We’re on the right one now. So reducing contamination in environmental justice communities. Not only do we include contamination as an asset to be assessed across all plans. But we state a regional priority. That contamination cited in specific communities needs to be highlighted and addressed 1st

Temazcal Meeting Room: and last, but not least, is ensuring that flood risk. Reduction is achieved with neighbors and across jurisdictions

Temazcal Meeting Room: we require that certain parts of the shoreline with high hydrologic connectivity, demonstrate how their efforts work together to minimize unintentional flooding that could result if everyone goes it alone.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So as you can see, these are important and often interconnected. Issues. Addressing them effectively means that cities and counties will need to work together, maybe even more than than folks already do to make sure that we can build this resilient future

Temazcal Meeting Room: moving slow.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay. So now to the subregional shoreline adaptation plan guidelines which are specifically called for in Sb. 2, 72,

Temazcal Meeting Room: the guidelines lay out a planning process organized by elements in a subregional plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: These include a planning process, existing conditions, vulnerability, assessment, adaptation, strategies and pathways, land use and policy plan, project, implementation and funding and a project list

Temazcal Meeting Room: for those who may be familiar with sea level Rise adaptation. This shouldn’t look new. And that’s intentional. We developed this based on existing adaptation plans in the region, and the plan requirements are structured similar to Fema’s local hazard, mitigation plan guidelines.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The purpose of the guidelines is to standardize this process, to ensure that all planning is using the best available science information and practices to help us achieve the one-day vision. You can think about this as a cheat sheet for how to do good planning

Temazcal Meeting Room: as part of the guidelines. We also developed 4 minimum standards, while the plan elements describe a process for planning and will naturally include a lot of local nuance. The standards set consistent baselines for all adaptation, planning, and these are used across the planning process. These include coastal flood hazards and sea level rise scenarios, minimum categories and assets and equity, assessment and adaptation strategy standards.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I’ll provide a brief overview of these 2 components

Temazcal Meeting Room: element A requires a description of the plan partners, planning area and equitable community engagement strategy. I want to note, and as Dana mentioned, that planning the planning area can be a city, a county, a combination, and we also encourage the use of operational landscape units as a planning area where it makes sense in those different areas of the Bay

Temazcal Meeting Room: element B, our existing conditions requires listing, existing plans, policies, physical and social conditions that create the context for the plan

Temazcal Meeting Room: element. C is where there’s an assessment of the vulnerability of critical assets, issues and populations to these minimum coastal flood hazards. This is also where the strategic regional priorities really get elevated into the process as both a regional priority, in addition to locally identified priorities.

Temazcal Meeting Room: element D is where adaptation strategies are identified and preferred, approaches are selected.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Element E requires a summary of the approach that’s necessary that the the approach for land use changes that are necessary to achieve the adaptation strategies selected in element d.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Element F requires a description of implementation, including responsible parties, timeline costs and potential funding sources

Temazcal Meeting Room: and element. G is where we ask jurisdictions to provide a list of their priority projects.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The standards are referenced throughout the plan elements. The coastal flood hazards and sea level rise scenarios identifies 4 minimum hazards that must be addressed, all of which are exacerbated by sea level rise.

Temazcal Meeting Room: These include tidal inundation, the 100 year storm surge and shallow and emergent groundwater.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We set baseline sea level rise scenarios based upon the Ocean Protection Council’s updated sea level Rise guidance

Temazcal Meeting Room: Which includes 0 point 8 feet by 2050 and 3 scenarios for 2,100.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Again, as aligned with that guidance.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We also include minimum categories and assets to ensure that no key issues are being left out of planning.

Temazcal Meeting Room: These only apply if these assets appear in a given location, and Bcdc provides regionally available data to meet many of these requirements for jurisdictions that don’t have easy access to some of this data.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The equity assessment standards include equity, focused questions that must be answered throughout the plan elements to ensure that equity is being centered in the process.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And lastly, the adaptation strategy standards lay out the outcomes of adaptation to guide the selection and development of strategies and adaptation pathways. There are 20 standards, and they’re organized by these 3 kind of buckets of categories, and I will summarize these buckets in this next slide.

Temazcal Meeting Room: As I mentioned, the adaptation strategy standards represents the outcomes of adaptation. Recognizing that there’s many different ways, there’s many different specific strategies that local jurisdictions can take to achieve these outcomes.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Standards here with a green circle indicates that they are the standards for the strategic regional priorities. So those stand, those standards with the green would only apply if that strategic regional priority was in a local jurisdiction.

Temazcal Meeting Room: In general these are organized by 3 buckets. Starting with what’s at the water and maximizing the benefits of water dependent shoreline uses in Bayland’s habitats.

Temazcal Meeting Room: These standards include promoting public access. Water dependent uses.

Temazcal Meeting Room: such as ports, marinas and water access points, and ensuring Bayland’s habitats are improved and have the ability to exist into the future.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The second grouping is improving community health, economic development, infrastructure and housing needs.

Temazcal Meeting Room: These standards include achieving key outcomes related to reducing flood risk for existing development

Temazcal Meeting Room: and strategic plan, existing development and strategic planning for new development along with many of the key issues I mentioned earlier in the strategic regional priorities.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the last category is focused on creating pathways to respond to changing flood risks over time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: This is the emphasis on building the adaptive capacity to implement adaptation pathways and be responsive to risk these include actions that governments can take such as updates to local standards, codes and land uses.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Lastly, and we’re getting near the end here. Lastly, I want to note that we’ve laid out a formal process for developing, submitting, and approving subregional plans with key responsibilities for both local government staff and Bcdc.

Temazcal Meeting Room: As Dana will elaborate a little bit further on. Next, the Rsap is was planned to be adopted as a Bay Plan Amendment which will give Bcdc. The ability to review subregional plans for consistency with the guidelines.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The draft that we have set out today sets expectations for compliance, and this process includes a public public noticing, when plans are initiated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: a minimum number of consultation meetings between local staff and Bcdc. So that we can work with you on where you’re starting from, and how your existing work can help best meet the guidelines.

Temazcal Meeting Room: followed by local approval by elected boards at the local level.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Local adoption must occur prior to submittal to Bcdc. And following this will be a formal review process, public hearing and commission vote or approval.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I know that we shared a lot of information with you, and I want to emphasize again that we do intend to provide flexibility, and how these plans are created with and across local jurisdictions that make the most sense for your communities.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We want to work with you to help ensure that we’re truly building upon past and existing research and decisions made at the local and regional level.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and ensure that the guidelines really serve you and your communities, that they provide a helpful cheat sheet for how to do good planning while still providing the necessary space for local solutions that can work for both local and regional benefit.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s no doubt that this work is hard. The challenge of sea level rise before us is immense, but we believe in the outcomes of good, coordinated and consistent planning that we can achieve together.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and meeting these guidelines, ensures really addressing the issues Dana brought up earlier that we can, that we, though the outcomes are prioritizing equitable processes and resources to frontline and environmental justice communities, reducing flood risk to existing homes, jobs and neighborhoods, ensuring flood safety and new developments, continuing to enjoy recreation areas, habitats and access to nature, continuing to be able to rely on services, the movement of goods and people and our other network systems

Temazcal Meeting Room: prioritizing the cleanup of contaminated sites, especially in areas of groundwater rise and creating collaborative governance with the ability to respond to changing risks of adaptation over time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: All right. So with that, thank you, and I’ll turn it back to Dana for a few next steps.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thanks, Jackie. Just a couple more slides here to let you know what’s coming.

Temazcal Meeting Room: As Jackie mentioned, in order for Bcdc. To carry out its responsibilities under Sb. 2 72 Bcdc. Must formally adopt the Rsap to review and approve local government sub-regional shorine adaptation plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So Bcdc. Will be formally adopting the Rsap through a Bay Plan Amendment

Temazcal Meeting Room: staff is proposing that the Commission adopt the entire regional short and adaptation plan by reference as a component of the Bay plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And we’re also proposing to make changes to existing Bay plan, climate change, policies.

Temazcal Meeting Room: findings and policies. So climate change policy 6, for example, calls for creating a regional shoreline adaptation strategy. So we propose amending that to say that the Rsap is now established for use and approval of these subregional plans, and it fulfills that shoreline adaptation strategy.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The edits also provide direction for future Bcdc action in this area, such as providing ongoing technical and policy support.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I also want to emphasize here now that even though we are changing climate change policies. It doesn’t change the way the BCC. Will will permit projects. It just responds primarily to some of the updates, some of the findings and responds primarily to the language in the shoreline adaptation, strategy

Temazcal Meeting Room: or sorry. And the climate change policy is the calls for the shoreline adaptation strategy.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’re also modifying policy. 7. That will allow Bcdc. To use the Rsap. And the subregional plans

Temazcal Meeting Room: in an advisory capacity when reviewing permits.

Temazcal Meeting Room: All of these changes can be found in Bcdc. Staff report, as well as the preliminary recommendations. That’s all available on our website. In addition to the draft of the regional shoreline adaptation plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Bcdc is also committed to supporting local jurisdictions as they create these subregional adaptation plans and help implementation of the Rsap

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the 2 major ways that we’re doing this in the next year or so is starting in 2025.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mentioned this earlier. We’ll be publishing an online mapping platform that provides regionally available data layers that help to visualize existing conditions, map the strategic regional priorities, support vulnerability assessments at the local level and inform adaptation strategies and pathways.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The mapping platform data and functionality will be updated regularly by Bcdc. When the new science or data is published.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And, as I mentioned before, also, we have a draft currently available. It’s not what it’s going to look like in its final version. And there may be additional data that gets added. But we welcome any feedback on how the mapping platform can work in concert with the guidelines to help people develop these plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’re also beginning to scope a technical assistance program. This will provide support on how to create plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: how to support the creation of community capacity locally for community members to engage in planning processes

Temazcal Meeting Room: and also just provide resources that we think are supportive of how people should be doing adaptation plans. So, for example, lots of people have asked for templates, plan submittals. We’re including some in the draft itself. But a lot more of those will be developed over the coming year or so.

Temazcal Meeting Room: To build community capacity. We’re launching shoreline leadership academies around the bay, starting in early next year

Temazcal Meeting Room: to work with community members and educate them on climate adaptation. And we’ll provide a number of other resources to support adaptation. We don’t know exactly what that’s going to look like, because we’re developing the scope for that project or for that program right now.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So here we are. This is just a visual look at the timeline that Jackie has already talked about.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The major thing to note here is that we are nearing the end of the public comment. We’re really emphasizing this public hearing next Thursday on the 17, th

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then the public comment period will end the next day. After that we will take a couple of months to respond to public comment.

Temazcal Meeting Room: revise the draft as well as our staff report with the edits to the Climate Change policies.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then we’ll bring that final draft to Bcdc’s commission for potential adoption on December 5.th

Temazcal Meeting Room: And just as a reminder. The legislative deadline was December 2024. So we’re we’re we’re getting there.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we recognize this is this is the document. It’s you know it’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: nighttime reading

Temazcal Meeting Room: But if you don’t, we are providing some some strategic places where people can look if they want to learn about how we’ve addressed certain issues so general overview, you know. Read our executive summary. So the big buckets of things we’re addressing is, what are the requirements for local plans. So if you’re a local jurisdiction, wanting to know, what do I have to do to get this done? We have some suggested pages and sections here.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You want to know how and where equity is integrated into the plan we are honing in on things like the Equity assessment standard, and how we’re and our description of how equity is addressed in the Rsap.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You want to know how this plan supports healthy Bay habitats. We’re pointing you to certain areas where we’ve addressed that explicitly. And then, if you’re interested in, particularly in housing and development, here are some sections that you might want to dig into in a more detailed way. We also recognize that a lot of the juicy, really juicy stuff kind of comes near the back of the of the guidelines, including the adaptation strategy standards.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So this is also our way of of letting you know that, you know you don’t really have to read the introduction, but definitely jump to the, to the meaty stuff in the back.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So just a reminder here of how public, how you can provide public comment. We do, you know, encourage you to

Temazcal Meeting Room: speak with us in an informal way. We’ve done a couple of consultations on people, you know, people who just want to discuss comments.

Temazcal Meeting Room: but we also, of course, are accepting the formal public comment. The reason why we’re doing this in such a formal way is because this is a Bay plan amendment.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and therefore we need to have all the comments sort of documented and responded to according to law.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So just a reminder here of how to do that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And then the last thing I’ll say is that funding is available right now. We have been working with the S. But Sb. One Grant program that the Ocean Protection Council

Temazcal Meeting Room: is currently administering. And they’re basically wanting to fund as many of these subregional shoreline adaptation plans as they possibly can. At this point. I think we’ve had 6 or 7 successful applications in the Bay area. So far, applications are accepted on a quarterly rolling basis. The last deadline was just this past Friday, which means next deadline is December 20th

Temazcal Meeting Room: and it’s non-competitive in that. If you submit an application that meets all the minimum requirements you get the funds.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s also a technical assistance program available to help environmental justice communities, tribal communities and small and rural communities

Temazcal Meeting Room: understand the grant requirements. Write the grants come up with budgets, engage stakeholders, etc. So coastal quest is the entity that is providing that technical assistance. And we just really we want

Temazcal Meeting Room: one of the amazing things about this Grant program is that the Bay Area has received a larger proportion of the statewide funds than La has, and that never happens. So we want to keep it that way. And we want to make sure that the Bay area gets its fair share of these grants. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: that’s all we have for you today. I’m sure you.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m sure you have our contact information memorized from the June meeting. But just in case you don’t please feel free to reach out to us in between. If you have anything else that you

Temazcal Meeting Room: didn’t, that doesn’t get addressed today. So thank you so much for your time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you very much for that presentation. Is there anything else? We’re gonna go into

Temazcal Meeting Room: some board questions here?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Before we start? I just wanted to say, that’s an incredible amount of work for the past 3 months. I’m a little overwhelmed by the 200 pages that I

Temazcal Meeting Room: had to go through

Temazcal Meeting Room: today and this weekend. So it is a lot to take in, and we have a very short amount of time. It sounds like to incorporate our comments. So I have to steer our comments to something that’s useful, especially me.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So

Temazcal Meeting Room: with that as an intro, and and again, many, many thanks for all the work, because

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, I think a lot of the comments that we had at our last meeting. I do see they’re incorporated here. The graphics are vastly improved. There’s much more emphasis on nature-based solutions. There’s some mention of managed retreat.

Temazcal Meeting Room: so I think that I still I’m trying to wrap my head around the whole thing. But I know that that you’ve covered a lot of territory there. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: fantastic.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I’m thinking, maybe we just start down at the end with you, Stefan, to kick off your questions and the ideas that we’re

Temazcal Meeting Room: asking only clarifying questions here. We’re not intending to get into a big discussion just yet.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I have a lot of questions, but I think there are more discussions. So I might just hold mine until until later. Yeah.

Temazcal Meeting Room: sure, thank you. Gary, and thanks for really

Temazcal Meeting Room: comprehensive presentation. I really appreciate it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I

Temazcal Meeting Room: attended the public webinar a couple of weeks ago.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And this is

Temazcal Meeting Room: just, I think, providing a really wonderful comprehensive level of detail which is really appreciated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think my main questions

Temazcal Meeting Room: are

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe around the regional.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the subregional shoreline adaptation plans for program, and I think this may have been mentioned before, and so I apologize if I missed it. But

Temazcal Meeting Room: what is your expected timeline for the

Temazcal Meeting Room: drafting and adoption of the sub regional plans? What’s the deadline around that?

Temazcal Meeting Room: So the legislative deadline is January 2034. We are certainly hoping that people develop plans earlier than that. We’re going to be rolling out the carpet and starting to assist folks next year.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the earlier you get in hopefully, the earlier you can access the implementation funds. But the deadline deadline is January 2034. Thanks. That’s helpful. So the

Temazcal Meeting Room: the near term

Temazcal Meeting Room: sea level rise scenarios which in that situation would be

Temazcal Meeting Room: the point 8 feet, would be very close to that threshold. It would be well within a traditional sort of long range, planning threshold

Temazcal Meeting Room: for a plan, and the 3.1 at the low end of the

Temazcal Meeting Room: end of century.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You’re sort of well into that strategy. So I’m curious about the

Temazcal Meeting Room: is, are there expectations that are established about how

Temazcal Meeting Room: the subregional plans will approach those

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the the baseline. For my question is

Temazcal Meeting Room: the policy guidance that we that we sort of use

Temazcal Meeting Room: on the Drb side to try to differentiate

Temazcal Meeting Room: resilience sort of shorter term resilience versus longer term adaptation. Where

Temazcal Meeting Room: the shorter term piece you can speak to.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’ll say objective standards with a more, with more clarity, and the longer term adaptation piece

Temazcal Meeting Room: is more about accommodating a range of scenarios. Could you speak a little bit sort of about what the expectations for the subregional plans are in that context.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, happy to take that. So what we’ve laid out is we have these. We’ve said that the standards are minimum. So I want to. And I want to make sure that that’s really clear as well. And if jurisdictions want to add more value, more sea level rise values. And in between our 2050 and 2,100 that’s really encouraged. And we have a lot of language in our standards, for instance, about thinking about.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, flood risk reduction through the end of a useful life of a project, knowing that there’s a lot of nuance between 2050 and 2,100. But wanting to just set some really clear kind of baseline standards for the region. And so the vulnerability assessment, yeah, requires evaluation of exposure at

Temazcal Meeting Room: both of these scenarios. So the 2050, and the 2,100, as well as for adaptation, and how we’ve kind of, I think, addressed the the short and long term. You know, we’ve we asked for

Temazcal Meeting Room: feasible adaptation strategies that demonstrate a feasible ability to reduce flood risk in that 2050, and at that 2,103 point one feet.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then we ask for a narrative description about how those strategies would continue to function in a 2,100 high. So that’s that 6 point

Temazcal Meeting Room: 6 feet. And so in that we’re really trying to kind of embed this thinking of other adaptation pathways and getting ensuring that as people are planning their shorter term so that could be 2050, but it could be values higher than that. Again, we’re trying to just set the baseline based on the best available science, but that those plans and those near term strategies are done with the understanding of kind of where those strategies will lend to in the future.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So that we’re knowing that those are investments that that we’ve thought through their their potential feasibility over the long term

Temazcal Meeting Room: does that clarify? It does. Okay? The concept is that you would be updating these regional plans on like a 5 to 10 year. Yes. And is that

Temazcal Meeting Room: seen as something that is required or recommended to establish those updates we have included in this draft a 5 year limited update. So after approval, we would ask for a 5 year kind of check in with us. Let us know what’s changed. I think we spell it out in a bit more detail, and then a 10 year comprehensive update. So after 10 years, maybe we want to, we’re going to ask more information about what has changed, what new analysis might now need to be done.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We also intend to have the Rsap and the guidelines themselves be updated on a kind of fairly regular schedule at this point. I think we’ve listed no more or no less than about 5 years the Ocean Protection Council, which comes out with the sea Level Rise guidance. They do that on a 5 year schedule. And actually, we aligned really well in this in this instance. So our values are based on their 2024 guidance.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we’re aiming to try to keep that schedule with them that we update our science. And as we take as we are getting plans, we learn from them as the the science and the techniques of adaptation evolve. We can make sure that we are kind of tweaking our work, too, to meet the needs of the region.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I have one more question for now, which I think is

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe oriented around capacity building.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I sort of appreciate the

Temazcal Meeting Room: the sort of the multiple range of pathways toward compliance. That sort of are described, that

Temazcal Meeting Room: individual jurisdictions and

Temazcal Meeting Room: sort of go their own way. There’s room for collaboration. There’s some guidance with the understanding that

Temazcal Meeting Room: some jurisdictions are going to have more capacity than others to

Temazcal Meeting Room: with regards to sort of technical expertise, but also implementation. Things of that nature.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Ultimately, sort of what I’m assuming is that

Temazcal Meeting Room: anything that’s a standard would sort of find its way back to that local jurisdiction, if they’re participating in a multi-jurisdictional effort.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that projects in the future

Temazcal Meeting Room: would have a mechanism to demonstrate compliance.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so we see some.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We operate in some jurisdictions like Burlingame, for example, that have made regulatory changes and the stuff that comes to us, that’s reflected. But there’s others where it’s still kind of an open playing field, and it’s a much more discretionary process to sort of arrive at that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: My experience

Temazcal Meeting Room: as a professional working with local jurisdictions. The capacity is

Temazcal Meeting Room: an incredibly difficult issue.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so I’m curious about sort of what the long term

Temazcal Meeting Room: expectations are about.

Temazcal Meeting Room: providing additional resources

Temazcal Meeting Room: or capacity building for jurisdictions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: not only to be able to effectively participate in these kinds of plans, but also to be able to implement them

Temazcal Meeting Room: over the long term, particularly if they needed to

Temazcal Meeting Room: collaborate, to create a new Gpa or something like that that’s managing like a regional flood district, for example. So I would love to hear about what the

Temazcal Meeting Room: the the funding beyond the Sb. One mechanism that you think might be.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I guess. Well predicted.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, I mean.

Temazcal Meeting Room: well, we hope the climate bond passes because we think that’s that would be a big pot of money available for this as well. But we have other folks at Bcdc. Who are spending a lot of time and energy thinking about how we pay for this

Temazcal Meeting Room: and working with other regional and state agencies, and we have a couple of working groups going on right now. One is partnerships with the private sector.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So how can we, you know, not like, just

Temazcal Meeting Room: have them give philanthropy or grants, but actually come up with public-private partnerships that are effective in getting developers to address sea level Rise adaptation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: One is is improving and aligning the public grant programs that we have right now

Temazcal Meeting Room: making those easier to get making sure that if you don’t qualify for one, you know, that person passes you on to the neighbor where they know that that they can fund that particular grant program.

Temazcal Meeting Room: In that one. We’re also looking about. we’re looking at the potential to

Temazcal Meeting Room: create new sources of revenue. So do we need something like a measure, Aa for sea level rise, adaptation, or an Rm. 3, or whatever a regional measure of some sort that raises money for adaptation. And then the last piece that I’ll mention is we are developing.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It’s called the investment strategy. And it’s a, it’s a basically a set of criteria that we apply to every project that is being planned or implemented that we know of. We have a large database right now. We’ve been collecting over the past few years all the adaptation projects that are occurring in the region, and then

Temazcal Meeting Room: putting some level of prioritization to those. So that we know that we’re funding the short term ones. First, st we’re funding ones that probably wouldn’t get funded otherwise, because the the jurisdictions in which they’re occurring are very low capacity, or they’re protecting frontline communities or some other we have. We don’t have the criteria, the prioritization criteria finalized yet.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But basically getting a short list of projects in the region similar to the way we do for transportation

Temazcal Meeting Room: and ensuring that we’re sort of hitting things in the right order, and that we have a short list that we can take to DC. Or Sacramento and and say, like, you know. Please fund these 10 projects so

Temazcal Meeting Room: it’s a, you know, complicated answer. We don’t know. We don’t know what the future of funding is going to look like. Nothing is guaranteed, especially at the state level and the the way that our State budgets are always kind of up and down. But we have many irons in the fire to kind of reduce some of that uncertainty, and get some some streams of funding or or financing.

Temazcal Meeting Room: That can be a little bit more reliable over the long term, you know, we released a study last year with Mtc. Saying that it’s going to cost us 110 billion dollars to do all this shoreline adaptation planning before 2030, 2050, sorry, 2030 is a little too soon.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But the other part of the study said that if we don’t do this, and this is why I had 30 in my head. It’s going to cost at least 230 billion.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And that’s just a really conservative estimate that’s like, assessed property value, not even market value. That’s just a subset of the major transportation assets that we would have to replace. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: even though it’s a lot of money, it’s so much more expensive if we don’t, and the impacts will really fall on a lot of individual property owners as well, and they’ll be seeing, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: people are already seeing impacts. They’re already seeing their their

Temazcal Meeting Room: what’s it called insurance? You know, is is pulling out. So I think you know it’s the question is not

Temazcal Meeting Room: is there certainty? But the question is, how do we build more certainty? And to to the future this is just something we’re going to have to figure out how to do.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Add just 1 1 piece of that, because the funding, when I think about capacity funding is obviously a huge huge part of that just funding staff and people and projects and all and all that. I also think about the technical assistance and the local assistance program that we are working on now, which will include both how Bcdc. And our staff, how our team works to to provide support.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’re also in conversation with a lot of our regional agency partners through our kind of bay area, regional, collaborative barc does a lot of interagency. And so we’re talking about regional ta programs and how we can build on, not just our capacity. But multi, you know, Mtc. And the air district and others.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And then the last thing I’ll say is just this idea of really kind of. We intend for this to be a living document for our work together as a region to evolve. And so I envision that, as you know, with this is our starting point, as we do in the next iteration, we’re likely to see more people might be facing new challenges, and that as part of a program that we’re building as a whole region. Maybe there’s workshops. There’s experts, I think there’s a whole range of those types of support that we could build.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And that’s definitely the direction that we’re headed in is is how we help implement these guidelines and then even update and change them as needed.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you very much.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Christine.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Do we get to have back and forth during the comment

Temazcal Meeting Room: with Staff?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: we need more of a conversation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Let’s leave this to clarifying questions, not substantive questions, and then we’ll have the public comment.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then you can have discussion, and then discussion can be back and forth

Temazcal Meeting Room: great. I’ll save my back and forth. Thanks for that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I wanted to make sure, though, because I did have questions. And you guys have done so much great work. I didn’t wanna assume

Temazcal Meeting Room: anything I wanted to make sure that I was understanding.

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah, I well, I just want to say, I really commend you. This is a beautifully written report. It’s so. It’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: very easy to understand. It’s really a lot of content. But it’s very easy to understand. And that’s a really challenging thing to do. And also it’s really full of these helpful, bite-sized pieces of information that help tell the story really. Well.

Temazcal Meeting Room: like there’s a lot of things I highlighted that I’m going to be quoting all over every dollar spent on hazard mitigation saves $6 and avoided cost of damages.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I know that that kind of analysis takes a while to get to, and I think those pieces of information are so helpful. And you’ve told the story really well.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Also, I didn’t know that we accounted for one for 1 3rd of all of California’s coastline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: but 2 thirds of the State’s total economic damage from sea level rise. That’s like a really

Temazcal Meeting Room: important fact.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay. So clarifying questions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: will the Board be? Will we? The board be participating in any way in reviewing city’s plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: not to add layers. But just to understand our role like

Temazcal Meeting Room: our is this kind of our last chance to say anything about these things. In which case that’s good to know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, the subregional clients

Temazcal Meeting Room: default to you on that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean, we we actually don’t have the plan review, like the internal plan review process laid out yet.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m I’m my understanding is that your statute is focused on

Temazcal Meeting Room: projects

Temazcal Meeting Room: for permits. So if we did want to have you involved, we would have to re

Temazcal Meeting Room: OP. Open that

Temazcal Meeting Room: that mandate and and review it. But honestly, everything is open at this moment like we are looking at how we right now. There’s no connection, as I mentioned, between the plans and our permitting process. But we’re looking at different paths forward, and there’s certainly an a universe in which that path involves the Drb.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And again, I don’t necessarily have a I was just. I don’t have a recommendation there, but just curiosity.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You just mentioned. You’re not really sure what the process is. You’ve talked about some sort of capacity building. Is there a process for cities to get input as plans develop? Have you kind of figured that out yet? Or is that

Temazcal Meeting Room: works? Yeah, I mean, when I say, we don’t have the process yet. It’s it’s really our internal process of how we link the plans to the permits. But we have laid out in the document.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Our our process for reviewing and approving the plans, and we have 3 mandatory check-ins between Bcdc staff and the city or county

Temazcal Meeting Room: one when they’re initiating to make sure that they really like understand the requirements, and that we can go through the content that they already have, and see what matches.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then 2 more at least at any point along the development of the plan. Because we’re asking cities and counties to adopt these plans locally before they submit it and have it approved by Bcdc. It’s really important that we’ve worked together to understand, to make sure that the plans meet the guidelines before we go, the cities go through that process, and that could, of course, also involve environmental review at the local level.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I think staying connected and having lots of consultations, and we’ve talked about, you know, having

Temazcal Meeting Room: having this team be on our on our internal review panel and having folks from our regulatory side be on our internal internal review panel, so that we get a 3 60 view

Temazcal Meeting Room: on those plans and get a breadth and depth of expertise. But the expectation, yes is that there will be no surprises. By the time somebody has completed a plan we’ll be have been working with them hand in hand. That’s great. Thank you. I’m sorry I missed that in the plan, but that sounds great.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Oh.

Temazcal Meeting Room: trying to just think about clarifying questions right now. You’ve answered. I had a lot of questions about funding. You’ve answered a lot of those. Thank you for that. Input

Temazcal Meeting Room: sorry, will. The

Temazcal Meeting Room: Bay area’s 27 different transit agencies also be

Temazcal Meeting Room: us to do a similar sort of a planning effort. That seems like there’s a lot of focus on infrastructure and access and connectivity and the challenges. I think you know, especially you look at a lot of our bayfront is by way.

Temazcal Meeting Room: access

Temazcal Meeting Room: and rail and is there a similar idea for transit agencies to go through a planning process like this?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean 272 only requires cities and counties. So if it’s a city department, then yes, if it’s a special district or some other, you know, Jpa, or something like that, they’re not technically required to. I can’t speak to what you know legislators are are seeking to adopt in the future to require these sorts of plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Personally, I think that you know it’s a little bit limiting to not require the engagement of special districts, transportation districts, parks, districts, etc. Caltrans, I mean, we have been. Speak. We have been speaking, Caltrans, we’ve been speaking to Bart. There is a lot of willingness to work with these cities and counties to develop these plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I can only speak to Caltrans and Bart, and you know the couple of other folks we’ve talked to. Obviously, you know, some other agencies might not be so interested in being involved, such as some of our, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: freight rail lines. This has historically been difficult to engage with. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: our approach. In general, there’s lots of recognition that a lot of the shoreline at which these adaptation strategies need to occur might not be owned, operated, managed, or controlled by the local jurisdiction, and our response to that is, try your best to engage. These folks.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, develop approaches that may or may not include them, and then we’ll just continue to try to build that capacity in the region. To get more great to get greater cooperation. But it is a limitation of you know what cities and counties are able to to maybe do in their adaptation strategy. Yeah.

Temazcal Meeting Room: that’s super helpful.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Last question on page 23, page you show the different scenarios, the kind of the curves.

Temazcal Meeting Room: What is the 2018 plus plus scenario?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. So I believe you were talking to the the Ocean Protection Council. We actually pulled that right from the report, though with their permission, and so that has to do with as they updated their most recent oh, right on the page as they updated their most recent. As I said, every 5 years they kind of come together with scientific scientists, kind of come to consensus.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The h plus plus was a scenario in their previous version that was kind of a in their previous version. They had probabilistic models of sea level rise. So it was more a percentage. They’ve shifted the approach this time around. It’s more scenarios and kind of an intermediate high, you know, level.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So the h plus plus was a previous

Temazcal Meeting Room: I don’t want to say scenario, but a previous projection that didn’t have a probability associated with it, because it was a kind of worst case. This could happen if you know, the most extreme level of flooding like this is the flooding that they thought was possible in that last iteration. And so what they’ve done in this graph. And we just we didn’t want to kind of manipulate their graph. So that’s why it’s still in there. They’re basically saying that the H plus plus is no longer

Temazcal Meeting Room: believed to be feasible by the 2,100, which was the previous draft or the previous guidance had stated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The reality is that at sea that level of sea level rise is

Temazcal Meeting Room: still possible at a later date. So really the challenge with sea level rise is that the trajectory is only going in one direction. It’s only increasing, it’s accelerating. And what the scientific projections are doing is helping us hone in on the date in which we might expect that obviously the further out you go, the more uncertainty there is

Temazcal Meeting Room: both in the Earth system and our understanding of it, but also in societal choices. That’s actually maybe even the the larger unknown is what decisions might we make between now and those years to either increase or decrease emissions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So it’s kind of a relic of a previous version. And we just didn’t want to manipulate their graph. So it’s still in there.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Leo.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I want to echo everyone’s kudos for a really really amazing document.

Temazcal Meeting Room: managed to balance thoroughness, big picture thinking, and a lot of detail all at the same time. So it’s it’s great to see a plan like this.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I think in particular

Temazcal Meeting Room: for me, you know, for when we.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the the idea of a more unified, consistent submission, I think, is is really important, because

Temazcal Meeting Room: on various boards, including this one, we often get submissions, and we see submissions of widely varying qualities and thoroughness.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and it makes it very difficult to evaluate them and compare them. So I think that’s really really critical

Temazcal Meeting Room: thing that has been accomplished here.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I have a few, maybe specific questions for clarification.

Temazcal Meeting Room: one maybe starting off with one very straightforward one. You mentioned that

Temazcal Meeting Room: 2034 is the deadline for the regional plans. Is there a deadline for implementation?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, that is a really good question. No, there, once the plans have been adopted, you know. That’s as far as the bill goes. But, as Jackie mentioned earlier, we do have plans to do a 5 year limited update where we ask people for progress on the strategies that they’ve laid out in the plans. And then a 10 year more comprehensive. Update where you revisit the strategies.

Temazcal Meeting Room: make sure they’re still appropriate, and then see if if any triggers or thresholds have been passed, and how you need to make, maybe add more detail to your longer term strategies. Okay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: that might lead to a conversation. But I’ll go by that for now? Maybe in a related way, is there any

Temazcal Meeting Room: expectations around implementation, whether that is something that is expected to be done by the local jurisdictions? Or is it something that

Temazcal Meeting Room: can be pushed to?

Temazcal Meeting Room: private ownership, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: etc.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think any number of public private partnerships are are on the table. It has to do with land ownership, who owns and manages the land and funding, you know, who who can pay for it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and one of the elements that we do ask for is an implementation and funding plan. And that’s where we ask people to start figuring out who’s responsible for this for implementing the strategy, or what group of individuals is responsible, what different roles may be. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know how you might start taking some steps forward to implementing. So I think it’s highly variable.

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe expanding on the question about

Temazcal Meeting Room: transit and other agencies.

Temazcal Meeting Room: How does that relate to? Then also

Temazcal Meeting Room: other forms of infrastructure, such as power. There’s there are substations and utility stations down near the water

Temazcal Meeting Room: or sewage is a major consideration. Given relationship to water, other kinds of infrastructure.

Temazcal Meeting Room: What we’ve done in the document to try to. So we were trying to. As Dana said, this is required by local cities and counties, but the way that we’ve tried to frame it in this work is that we all need to be working together on this and ideally, these plans are comprehensive plans that include partnerships. So there’s a various ways throughout the document that we really encourage.

Temazcal Meeting Room: encourage planners to partner with others. I mean, for instance, we require that these plans are, you know, include cities and counties, but they could also be in partnership with the water treatment district. A different entity could actually even lead these plans as long as the cities are part of it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the cities also then have that role in some some local adoption and codification. So up in our planning process. For instance, we actually require a who are the affected parties, and we list a varying example. So that’s really all of those entities outside of the local government special districts, wastewater treatment plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we asked them to identify very clearly and also let us know in their engagement plan how they are working with those other entities. So that’s 1 way through that. Like human partnership, we also have some minimum assets and categories that we ask to be assessed in these plans. So we include critical infrastructure. We include, we require that jurisdictions. Look at these assets, even if they don’t own them. What we were trying to set up is a way that communities can be participating in these planning processes and communities being either residents who live there

Temazcal Meeting Room: and or the entities who own and operate

Temazcal Meeting Room: assets. So we try to get. We try to make ensure that this planning process is looking at the full picture, whether you kind of own it or not. But is it an important asset? And is it a required to to at least understand the vulnerabilities, and then in terms of adaptation. That’s where it gets trickier.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I think over time we’re going to have to do need to do more work, I think, to bring, you know, for those who are willing. I think there’s some special districts who are really excited and willing and want to participate, and so we encourage them to work with their city and partner, and and do a plan holistically together.

Temazcal Meeting Room: In the instances where there isn’t that willingness. I think that’s an area that we need to continue to figure out what are the tools that we have? Is it more? Carrots are there eventually sticks? I’m not sure you know, down the line, but we try to get at that through both a partner with other entities, and also look at those assets. And in some ways this is a public disclosure document, too. We are asking people to look at these risks and kind of share them. And so maybe that will have a role, too, in getting players involved. Because now more people can see that you are vulnerable. And we want you to be. Part of this

Temazcal Meeting Room: last question is.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you’ve mentioned a few times this idea of being able to coordinate and understand how the the plans, the regional plans are going to interact with one another.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and it may be in there, I

Temazcal Meeting Room: but I was trying to understand. Where?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Where does that occur? In the submission requirements?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Oh, sorry. Where? Yeah. Where? Where does that occur in the submission requirements.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know I would. I would expect that perhaps the an understanding that part of the submission should include

Temazcal Meeting Room: a scenario planning about

Temazcal Meeting Room: how the plants interact with their neighbors

Temazcal Meeting Room: sort of an edge condition. Right? So even though they’re not planning beyond their jurisdiction, they need to understand how the adjacent jurisdictions may or may not be making

Temazcal Meeting Room: their plans and depending on the scenario, they may have to complete their plan in different ways.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, I would say, there’s there’s, I think there’s always room for improvement. So maybe there’s more places we can do this. But there’s 2 that come to mind for me. The 1st is in the planning process. We also ask for them to demonstrate how they’re coordinating with their neighbors.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So in that instance, if you aren’t doing a plan together. We do have a description, or you know, we have more detail. It says, let us know what are your points of connection and how you’ve been working with your neighbors.

Temazcal Meeting Room: That’s 1 of them. The other way that I think we try to get at this issue is through the adaptation strategy standards and those strategic regional priorities that I mentioned earlier each. If you have a jurisdiction, I mean, in

Temazcal Meeting Room: for some cases it will really be any shoreline city, and the public access is a good one as well. Everyone will have their own kind of jurisdiction, public access, and we also ask you to coordinate and let us know. How is your strategy going to keep that connection to your neighbor? So that’s 1 instance, at least for that strategic regional priority, but those

Temazcal Meeting Room: and those are only for specific issues. So maybe there’s some room to ensure that. But we think that that is covering kind of a lot of the key issues. So habitats and the connectivity across habitats, public access transportation. So anything that we’ve identified as having that really clear cross-jurisdictional boundary, we have a standard that asks

Temazcal Meeting Room: a jurisdiction to just tell us really a description, how have you worked with your neighbor on this? We don’t go further into any type of analysis.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But it’d be interesting if you have recommendations on what that would look like.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay, thanks. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: sorry. I did have one more question. And this relates to this idea of understanding the cumulative effects

Temazcal Meeting Room: is

Temazcal Meeting Room: given that

Temazcal Meeting Room: each plan will be approved in its

Temazcal Meeting Room: sequence.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You know, I can imagine that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: At what point do we understand the net effects of all the plans?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Extreme case. Everybody decides to put a barriers on the west side and on the East side. They’re doing a retreat.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And suddenly we’ve got wave echoes going across the bay that

Temazcal Meeting Room: impacts the plans that were being laid out on the East Side. So I

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m trying to understand. My head wrapped around about like

Temazcal Meeting Room: the the big goal of this plan which I really commend you on, is

Temazcal Meeting Room: a coordinated, cumulative.

Temazcal Meeting Room: holistic vision and set of goals. What I’m trying to understand is the the more

Temazcal Meeting Room: piece piece by piece.

Temazcal Meeting Room: implementation and planning. How do we actually understand what it all means in the end.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, I mean. So we looked into several bay wide models that would allow us to sort of plug in different projects and model how, what the impacts would be across the region. We’re just not there yet in terms of the technology. So we’re trying to get at it through asking people to think through the consequences of their decisions on their neighbors. As Jackie was talking about in the adaptation strategy standards.

Temazcal Meeting Room: so if somebody came to us, and they’re like we just want to put a wall up on our entire shoreline, we would say, Hmm! I don’t think that meets the standards like, let’s rethink that. Let’s think through how it impacts the neighbors. We’re also encouraging the multi jurisdictional plans also, so that that the entire shoreline of an entire county

Temazcal Meeting Room: thinks about it all at once, so that we don’t have that kind of cascading like the 1st person in line, you know kind of sets the tone for everybody that comes after it, and all the plans that come after it have to respond to that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’re also tracking projects at a regional scale. We have a huge database, our our sap map. This

Temazcal Meeting Room: I can’t remember. What’s that map? Sure.

Temazcal Meeting Room: it stands for something.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and it’s not a model of how projects would interact with one another. But we are mapping them around the region so that we can start to see how, how those projects might meet might interact with one another, and none of this is is making its way into our our, how we

Temazcal Meeting Room: how we permit so far. But it could. I mean, these are things that could feed back into the decisions about how we look at

Temazcal Meeting Room: the implications of of individual projects, and also looking at a plan as a whole, could also have implications on how we look at individual projects as well. So the shoreline adaptation plans, ask at least within your jurisdiction, and if it’s a multi jurisdictional plan to have an understanding of the continuity of that shoreline protection.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the and the or or other strategies along the shoreline, and that can be very useful in understanding an individual project in the greater context. But it’s something that I think we’re going to continue to pursue. How we actually.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, create a model that is, is

Temazcal Meeting Room: is not so subjective. Maybe. so if you have any genius thoughts, you know. Please share them. But it’s definitely a question that we’ve spent a lot of time

Temazcal Meeting Room: trying to wrestle with.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. And I’ll just add to. I mean, I think it’s such a good question. We’ve been thinking a lot about that cumulative impact. And how do you measure that? And I think the strategic regional priorities are one way that we are really trying to, you know, paint that comprehensive regional picture. One that comes to mind is, you know, that healthy habitats and ecosystems? Those are connected pieces.

Temazcal Meeting Room: How do we ensure that? You know local action is adding up? Or how does somebody know how actions that they might make add up cumulatively through the region. So the strategic regional priorities are one way that we’re trying to get at that. The adaptation strategy standards that set some of those

Temazcal Meeting Room: use nature-based adaptation first, st before you look at another approach, and some of the other ones are really trying to steer adaptation in ways that we think will have, you know, multiple benefits. And then the the update schedule, I think, is really another important tool that we have so that we can be monitoring and tracking. And.

Temazcal Meeting Room: as you know, we can get a sense of what are the strategic regional priorities that are being advanced and which ones aren’t. And what are we missing here in terms of resources to support that? So I think it’ll be a lot of things until we get some really cool technology someday to be able to kind of plug and play. And just I think it’ll get more complicated. But we want to set that foundation

Temazcal Meeting Room: with with the tools that we have now.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Hey, Bob?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you. These are really good comments. And you covered a couple of mine,

Temazcal Meeting Room: or or questions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think you guys have done a fantastic job. This is a very difficult topic.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Lots of different

Temazcal Meeting Room: parameters, layers.

Temazcal Meeting Room: edges of the cube of solution, space, or whatever

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so you know. And and one of the things I I like actually, I was glad to see is that the

Temazcal Meeting Room: appendix 4, 3 has these recommended coastal flood hazards and assets.

Temazcal Meeting Room: then it oh, whatever that that one is, where it acknowledges that there may be other

Temazcal Meeting Room: things like waves and

Temazcal Meeting Room: erosion, and maybe even tsunami. Or you know, whatever that people need to consider. And I I really think that’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: a good way it leads me to the

Temazcal Meeting Room: question of

Temazcal Meeting Room: How do you see the Rsap

Temazcal Meeting Room: itself adapting?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I know that they’re the sub regional

Temazcal Meeting Room: plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Have you know timeframes and the like for updates.

Temazcal Meeting Room: but I mean, how how do you do? You have like a

Temazcal Meeting Room: program, or you know, thoughts on how I mean, I have a couple of thoughts, but it’s it’s a leading question. But

Temazcal Meeting Room: is that is that that’s part of the process, too. Right? I mean.

Temazcal Meeting Room: like adapting the

Temazcal Meeting Room: adaptation plan.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay? So you’ve that, that’s gonna happen. And I think that’s important. Because.

Temazcal Meeting Room: one of the things I’ve noticed is that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, this is a difficult topic. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: obviously, and I think people sometimes have a hard time. People and their representatives have a hard time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Addressing the realities.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and especially if the realities are somewhat fungible.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And

Temazcal Meeting Room: That leads me to my suggestion that one of the

Temazcal Meeting Room: adaptive actions that you take with the Rsap

Temazcal Meeting Room: is to look to

Temazcal Meeting Room: the engineering community to provide

Temazcal Meeting Room: regional maps that address some of those additional factors in your appendix.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and there’s several reasons for that. Obviously it would be more standard. It would. You would have some consensus and some standing.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I noticed that I think it was the State

Temazcal Meeting Room: or no, the actual. The Vcdc’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: sea Level Rise policy mentions that these maps should be

Temazcal Meeting Room: led by an engineer.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Which I you know, I think a lot of the maps are. But having done some of those maps.

Temazcal Meeting Room: one of the things we’ve realized, and I mentioned this before, and you’ll probably see another comment to this effect.

Temazcal Meeting Room: that the the future conditions of flood and erosion hazard maps are very difficult for people to understand what they mean relative to

Temazcal Meeting Room: what they’re used to looking at, which are the fema maps that have things like V zones, which means certain things to your foundation and

Temazcal Meeting Room: your risk and free board and everything else.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah, one of my suggestions would be to want to hold your suggestions until after

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think recommendations, we’ll do after our discussion. Can we do that? And then just do the clarifying question, okay, yeah, no. I’m sorry. Actually, I’m going to be done here pretty soon. Yeah, okay, I’m just trying to fire off some. Yeah, no, my, my discussion has to leave a little bit early, so I’d love to get in his comments on that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But

Temazcal Meeting Room: no, no, really, no, do it. Do what you need to do. If you have questions, go ahead.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, these will be everything I have to say, unless somebody has questions for me, and I’ll try to get through it very quickly. And I apologize. I I do have a tendency to go on.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, we talked about adaptation plans not being realistic.

Temazcal Meeting Room: One of the things that can help is have, you know, a kind of

Temazcal Meeting Room: credibility a little more detailed maps, and in particular, being able to map future conditions

Temazcal Meeting Room: with or without action, and actually get a tool together that can be used to look at alternatives and to provide some clarity

Temazcal Meeting Room: and reality. Reality is very important.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and people will tend to

Temazcal Meeting Room: discount

Temazcal Meeting Room: certain risks. If they’re not, you know, in their interest.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think. How would the rcaps deal

Temazcal Meeting Room: or the the sub regional rceps deal with

Temazcal Meeting Room: realigning, existing development

Temazcal Meeting Room: and changing land use

Temazcal Meeting Room: in that realignment is, that is, are there guidances on how

Temazcal Meeting Room: guidance, on how a city could consider

Temazcal Meeting Room: changing their land use based on

Temazcal Meeting Room: the bay. Moving.

Temazcal Meeting Room: for example, is that

Temazcal Meeting Room: that part of the

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean, we do have recommendations and how to consider future land use based on various conditions, whether you know you have development in that location, or depending on the sort of spectrum of development that you already have in that location. And then we do ask people to think about if you’re protecting something. Now, what’s the feasibility of continuing to protect that into the future based on changing conditions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And if so, like, does that trigger a land use change at some point? So I don’t think we have something in there that explicitly says, you know as your as the bay migrates inland, you know, do XY. And Z. Change in land use. But we do ask a lot of prompting questions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Ask to have people consider the implications. The land use implications over time. Yeah, no, I saw that. And that’s really good. I guess. Then the question would be, Is there an implementation plan element for the

Temazcal Meeting Room: not only the Rsap but for the sub-regional rsaps?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I noticed that you have an implementation plan for projects.

Temazcal Meeting Room: but that’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: a little different than actually figuring. And this is what I was getting at in terms of how do you implement

Temazcal Meeting Room: movement of a neighborhood to an area before it floods to an area that, or, you know, move people around.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so I think,

Temazcal Meeting Room: we can just leave it at that. Because I think that’s just kind of something that needs to be developed over time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. And there is a 1 of the required elements is a land use and policy plan. So you could should look through the guidelines to what’s required in that section. Let me? Yeah, because that’s that’s what we that’s what aims to get at those that laying out those changes over time and what it would take from a

Temazcal Meeting Room: city perspective to get that achieved kind of like the last 3 elements. Let’s say, D is developing adaptation strategies. And then EF and G are various ways in which you’re demonstrating kind of how you are enacting those strategies. So one is the land use component. Another is the project implementation. And that 3rd is then priority projects.

Temazcal Meeting Room: How is the landward limit? I thank you for that. That’s really helpful. I think I missed that. And I’m definitely interested in seeing it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: how is the landward limit of the coastal floodplain, the planning area determined. I think I saw something like 6 feet of sea level rise using art or something like that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Is that correct? That’s a good question. And we talked with our advisory group members and and tried to get some input on it. We ended up identifying at a minimum the 6.6 feet because it was our 2,100 pie.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we just we’re trying to kind of keep some consistent values and not change them too much. But I think that there’s not a maximum, and I think in many ways we might encourage people to look at

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know their risks, you know, beyond that, if they based on what they are trying to accomplish.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that would that would probably include them, considering the effect of that sea level rise on

Temazcal Meeting Room: other flood sources, such as rainfall, runoff and groundwater. And and all that stuff. Okay, yeah, no, that’s great.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So what happened?

Temazcal Meeting Room: You know, going to the question about the 0 point 8 feet by 2050 as

Temazcal Meeting Room: as the one criterion and then.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the other 3 being 2,100 and that kind of a gap between them. So what happened to the

Temazcal Meeting Room: The Opc strategic plan? I think it was element, one or action item, one word,

Temazcal Meeting Room: the idea was for at least infrastructure, I think. In California to be

Temazcal Meeting Room: to have the capacity to handle 2 and a half feet of sea level rise by

Temazcal Meeting Room: the year 2050, which was

Temazcal Meeting Room: different than saying, Expect 2 and a half feet by 2050 it was

Temazcal Meeting Room: to be ready for 2 and a half feet

Temazcal Meeting Room: by 2050,

Temazcal Meeting Room: which is kind of different than the 0 point 8 feet.

Temazcal Meeting Room: My understanding of it. And I’m not kind of an expert in this space. Lots of lots of things that we all do. So we have some staff on our team that kind of our sea level rise more specialists on it. So my understanding is that the most recent Opc guidance has come out since then, and that that kind of reflects more of the maybe scientific

Temazcal Meeting Room: uncertainty about these risks. And so that’s what we decided to really lean on is kind of what’s most. You know. What is the State recommending at this point? And trying to be as consistent as possible.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’ll also add that is sea level rise plus free board. So you have. You would build higher than than what the actual projected sea level rise is. And and that’s that’s not. We’re not excluding in our standards that you would also add free board to these. If you’re evaluating your vulnerability at these different levels. And then, when you

Temazcal Meeting Room: plan a project that responds to that level of sea level rise, then you would automatically include freeboard in that as well.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, I mean, this gets to the risk

Temazcal Meeting Room: assessment

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the

Temazcal Meeting Room: perspective on risk. And whose risk is it? And what’s the State’s risk? Tolerance versus

Temazcal Meeting Room: the city or the railroad? That’s an interesting one or the individual.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I think that’s a that’s a gonna be an interesting.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I I think those were all my questions. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: if you read into those you’ll probably

Temazcal Meeting Room: know what my comments might be. But I’m not going to. I think I’m

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’ll participate in the next session, but that that’s pretty much all I have.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay. Hopefully. Quick answer here. Is there anything in the document? And I’m only asking because I may have missed it about levies

Temazcal Meeting Room: which would be levies that exist, or levies that are under construction currently, or levies that are in the planning stage, that we don’t might not know about. Yet

Temazcal Meeting Room: in our minimum categories and assets we do include storm water infrastructure as part of it. We kind of have the topic area, and then a category, and then specific assets.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so levies are part of I forget kind of what what they are, but or what what we’ve named them as but the intent is that yes, that you would be. If you have existing levies, you wouldn’t be including those.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s a couple other spots where we ask for if you have known projects. So if there’s known kind of changes to your shoreline, so that would be an example as well of if there’s a levee being built. We would want to see that

Temazcal Meeting Room: both in the existing conditions. And as part of your adaptation strategies.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay, we can talk about that more after.

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Temazcal Meeting Room: There we go. Hello! Yeah. Yeah. I’m a boat architect here in San Francisco.

Temazcal Meeting Room: For 25 years I had my own small practice.

Temazcal Meeting Room: it’s a lot to take in. It’s all new to me, so I’m trying to digest it now and

Temazcal Meeting Room: I applaud your agenda.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and I’m I’m very concerned.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and it seems you are, too, and I plan to follow

Temazcal Meeting Room: this process. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe I’ll have more to say at the next meeting in 10 days.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you for your efforts.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Great thank you.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thanks for your comment.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Are there any online comments?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I have one comment, Lucy Gill. I just unmuted you. So you have 3 min to speak. Please state your name and affiliation. Thank you.

Lucy Gill: Great. Thank you so much. Can everyone hear me?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yes, we can hear you.

Lucy Gill: Great. My name is Lucy Gill, and I am a cultural resources manager for the confederated villages of Lashawn Nation, a tribal nation whose traditional territory encompasses Alameda Contra Costa, San Joaquin counties as well as parts of Napa and Solano along the waterways.

Lucy Gill: And we’re really happy about this sea level rise, adaptation, plan, particularly the focus on nature-based solutions and collaborative governance, to ensure complete and connected ecosystems, as well as the encouragement of engagement with tribal governments and incorporation of tribal cultural resources.

Lucy Gill: the La Shawn Nation has already been involved in some of this work through serving on the steering committee for the San Leandro Bay, Oakland, Alameda Estuary, Adaptation, Working Group, and we also recently wrote a letter of support for a successful Ocean Protection Council grant for the city of Richmond.

Lucy Gill: and are partnering with them. On those efforts. However, we are concerned that there’s no formal procedure outlined currently in the draft for government to government consultation on these drafts

Lucy Gill: between cities and counties and tribes, and with Bcdc. Directly.

Lucy Gill: despite executive orders from Governor Brown and Newsom, affirming and reaffirming State agencies responsibility to conduct tribal consultation on any agency activities that may impact them. We’re also concerned that there’s no discussion of tribal knowledge or traditional knowledge, despite federal and State recognition that traditional knowledge is coequal to Western scientific knowledge

Lucy Gill: and calling for it to inform decision making.

Lucy Gill: We’re particularly concerned with this because tribes are the only communities that have been in the bay long enough to have actually lived through and seen sea level change substantially and adapt to it successfully.

Lucy Gill: So we think, the best available science that you emphasize. We’re really happy to see that, but that it also needs to incorporate tribal knowledge, and the only way to incorporate tribal knowledge as well as the only way to identify and protect tribal cultural resources is to have a protocol for tribal consultation. There are already standards for this in State legislation, like Sb. 18 and Ab. 52, under Ceqa.

Lucy Gill: And so we would encourage the Commission to consider this recommendation, and to engage with tribes in formal government to government consultation on these drafts. Thank you so much.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you for that comment. Appreciate you jumping in.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Think we need more of that?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Let’s see, are there any other public comments?

Temazcal Meeting Room: That is the end of public comment.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Oh, one thing. We did receive one public comment earlier today from the city of Alameda.

Temazcal Meeting Room: That was forwarded to the board members this morning. The central comments were simple. To

Temazcal Meeting Room: central comments were to simplify the requirements, as the proposed plan requires extensive detail and resources.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Streamlined planning process to coordinate with other efforts and concern over the requirements related to areas outside the local agencies jurisdiction.

Temazcal Meeting Room: If there are no other comments, then we’ll move on to the board discussion, the board discussion section. I’d like to ask everyone except the Board to turn off their cameras so there can be a focused discussion

Temazcal Meeting Room: board members. Please remember to turn your microphones on when you speak.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And this is a

Temazcal Meeting Room: our opportunity to have a conversation. So if something seems unclear, or if you want to add on or or disagree, please do

Temazcal Meeting Room: jump in. I think this is really critical, that we have a lively conversation here, and

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Let me read the questions provided by Staff. Staff has requested the Board to give particular attention to the adaptation, strategy standards. Additionally, staff have the following specific questions for the Board’s consideration, do you feel like you can support the guidelines as is? If not, what would you change?

Temazcal Meeting Room: What do you think are going to be the biggest challenges cities and counties will have as they develop these plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: what sort of tools might be helpful for plan development

Temazcal Meeting Room: and 3. What else do you need to know to fully understand how these plans will work?

Temazcal Meeting Room: So?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think. Maybe I know you’re on a schedule, Leo. So you want to go first.st

Temazcal Meeting Room: Your comments?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thanks, Gary, thanks for thinking about that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So

Temazcal Meeting Room: I have maybe a couple follow up

Temazcal Meeting Room: based on the questions I was asking. So I think the 1st is

Temazcal Meeting Room: the fact that there’s no implementation deadline, I find particularly problematic.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, I think the history has had many, many great plans that have been put onto shelves, and then never fully, either implemented or fully implemented, and in this case

Temazcal Meeting Room: partial implementation can be just as problematic

Temazcal Meeting Room: so, and I think, combining that with the room for

Temazcal Meeting Room: jurisdictions to allow for

Temazcal Meeting Room: some mix of public and private implementation makes it even more problematic, because you can imagine there might be scenarios where there might be property owners

Temazcal Meeting Room: who simply don’t act

Temazcal Meeting Room: because there’s no hard deadline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think an interesting example of that is

Temazcal Meeting Room: the Sb. 1953, which was a bill that required

Temazcal Meeting Room: hospitals to update themselves seismically.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and those deadlines kept sliding. But frankly, if the bill hadn’t been there nothing would have happened. So I think that the deadlines are really important. I know that’s not central to the plan right now. I don’t know if there’s a way to make that part of the plan, or

Temazcal Meeting Room: do we have to advocate for legislation for something like that?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean, I I can respond and say that we Ecdc. Has no teeth to make that happen.

Temazcal Meeting Room: we could link it to. You know our our permitting authorities in some way, shape or form. I can’t imagine how. But that seems like that would some. That’s something that would need a legislative support.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: is that

Temazcal Meeting Room: that legislative support is something we could. That’s something. We could initiate a conversation around

Temazcal Meeting Room: in Bcdc.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The only legislation that we can

Temazcal Meeting Room: propose and advocate for is around our own jurisdiction. So we can. We? We have a rising sea level Commissioner working group. That meets approximately quarterly to talk through some of these underlying issues of jurisdiction, and our our underlying mandate that created Bcdc. And how those might need to be adjusted. So this that can certainly be a part of that conversation. That’s the primary

Temazcal Meeting Room: venue that we have right now. I mean, we could, you know, bring bring back the findings of that to the Drb. And give you updates on that, or anyone can engage in those rising sea level working group meetings. I will say we’re at the very early stages of this. We’re still kind of like legally assessing what are different paths and different outcomes that we might want to have happen. So it’s a very open conversation at this point. So I think any any ideas are welcomed.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay, yeah, yeah. I just think this is one of those

Temazcal Meeting Room: situations where, when problems are large and complicated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: there’s a real tendency to try and

Temazcal Meeting Room: hope that they’ll go away or push them down the road or not. Address them right away. So I do think that’s something we need to figure out and

Temazcal Meeting Room: happy to continue. Continue the conversation with you.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Maybe in regards to one of the questions that Staff asked about the strategy specifically.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I cannot.

Temazcal Meeting Room: They are

Temazcal Meeting Room: little open ended, which I understand and I appreciate because it gives each jurisdiction the room to

Temazcal Meeting Room: to find what is the right solution for their circumstances. So I appreciate that. I do wonder, though, if we would want to

Temazcal Meeting Room: require

Temazcal Meeting Room: or ask for

Temazcal Meeting Room: measurements, specific measurements of how they have implemented these. So, for example, if it’s they’ve increased coastal access.

Temazcal Meeting Room: How many lineal feeder yards have they

Temazcal Meeting Room: increased it by right? So that that way cumulatively over time, we’ll be able to. If each plan is submitting their their responses in the same metrics, we’ll actually be able to understand cumulatively the net effects of what’s being proposed, and

Temazcal Meeting Room: and what’s being accomplished, which is really something we would want to celebrate.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So that’s a suggestion.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the other question about

Temazcal Meeting Room: I guess. Super

Temazcal Meeting Room: agencies, agencies, or organizations that are large infrastructure groups that are larger than a county

Temazcal Meeting Room: such as Pg and E, or others.

Temazcal Meeting Room: is there a way

Temazcal Meeting Room: to perhaps

Temazcal Meeting Room: encourage or develop a working group with them so that they start developing a holistic plan. Because I can imagine at a certain point they’re gonna they’re gonna have.

Temazcal Meeting Room: however, many jurisdictions we’re talking about here, coming at them with questions, and it seems like

Temazcal Meeting Room: giving them the heads up and asking them to start planning in advance would make their lives easier, and it would certainly make the lives of each of the jurisdictions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: it would almost sort of take that topic out of their their concern. It seems like that would be helpful to them.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, I’ll just say we did. We started in February by convening a special districts Focus Group and gave them a heads up that this was coming. So a lot are prepared. And then our technical assistance program. We do intend to continue to kind of offer a venue so that those large entities can interface with multiple jurisdictions at once. So they don’t have to go out to, you know, it’s not like an ad hoc process. So that’s something we are

Temazcal Meeting Room: planning on continuing in the technical assistance program. Great. So it’s like pretty high on our radar. I think of, like what role Bcdc can play and maybe connecting those type of cross jurisdictional entities to each of their jurisdictions. It’s come up a lot in feedback. And so, as we’re developing our ta and our capacity to be engaging and supportive, that may be a really kind of may be a priority for us. Yeah, great

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then going back to the question about cumulative effects, I’m not quite sure what the answer is there, because it again sounds large and complicated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And you did mention tools and other ways that we might address it. Maybe a related question is, will these plans require an Eir to go with them?

Temazcal Meeting Room: It’s not a requirement that we will ask for in submission, but it may be a requirement that’s determined locally for local adoption. So we’re leaving that up to the discretion of each individual city and county.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: cause it does seem like

Temazcal Meeting Room: a number of the things that you’re asking for, and are maybe addressed in the comment letter we received

Temazcal Meeting Room: are items that would come up under an eir, so it might

Temazcal Meeting Room: be in the jurisdiction. Jurisdictions, interest to try and address them anyway, because they it’s something that would come down the road.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think, short of an eir, I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: this is this is topic that goes.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m not an expert in this, but certainly just kind of paying attention over time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: This is a topic that is not just about neighbors and flooding.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It is about

Temazcal Meeting Room: tides and currents and sedimentation patterns in the bay

Temazcal Meeting Room: being changed by the change in the shoreline condition.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So yeah.

Temazcal Meeting Room: as an example, you know, I grew up on the east coast, and I just remember

Temazcal Meeting Room: somebody would put up a breakwater and 20 miles down the road the beach would disappear

Temazcal Meeting Room: right? So it’s those kinds of effects that are

Temazcal Meeting Room: anticipatable, but often unfortunately unanticipated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I do think it’s we should try to maybe develop a set of standards with somebody who really understands this topic.

Temazcal Meeting Room: or at least guidelines or

Temazcal Meeting Room: studies that should be required, so that we understand because it would be unfortunate to have somebody say, do a nature based solution down with marshlands in a certain region, and then another city puts up.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, raises their grade that causes the current to shift, and all of a sudden that that marshland is submerged. So I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah, that would be great.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Can I jump in on that topic a little bit for having? It’s okay that for us to discuss this, I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah, I agree with you completely. And and

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that’s where I think, having a set of

Temazcal Meeting Room: accepted

Temazcal Meeting Room: engineering what I would call actually hydrogeomorphic projections

Temazcal Meeting Room: of what the landscape will look like.

Temazcal Meeting Room: With no action plus sea level rise. And you know the associated climate change and blood issues.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You can project. We’ve done this for habitat projects. We’ve done this on some parts of the Pacific coast.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So it’s doable

Temazcal Meeting Room: where you actually say, Okay, this is where the bay looks now, with 3 feet of sea lies. This is the way it’s gonna look. Assuming nobody does anything

Temazcal Meeting Room: more than they’ve already done.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and and then you can look at, and that can be a tool that communities can use or somebody can use for them.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So you have an assessment of that you have confidence in as to what the implications are.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and if you just leave that to, I think what you’re getting at is just leave that to the applicant or kind of leave it as something that’s not required.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It may not happen, or it may be done wrong. Right? Yeah, absolutely. A lot of times. Things that are encouraged.

Temazcal Meeting Room: limitations in funding or attention or expertise leads to them to not being looked at. And I think

Temazcal Meeting Room: the the central tenant of this whole effort

Temazcal Meeting Room: is around a comprehensive solution.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Based on allowing jurisdictions to find what’s best for them.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But how do we make sure what’s best for them is best for everybody? Because I think ultimately that’s the goal, the one vision goal, right?

Temazcal Meeting Room: So there’s the. There’s a hydrology of the bay. But I think there’s a lot of other topics, such as

Temazcal Meeting Room: Ecologies, and and etc. Yeah. And and on that topic I don’t know that Bcdc. Will necessarily be able to referee that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But I think if the system and maybe Dcdc. Will, I don’t know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: but I think that if there’s a system set up where there’s some confidence in the projections, whether somebody likes them or not.

Temazcal Meeting Room: then I think there are other things like you say an eir or

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, you know. The neighbors mayor talking to somebody other else, you know. We’ll we’ll work that out. So I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah, I don’t think Bcdc can do everything, although maybe you guys should. But I don’t know they’re doing really well. Anyway, this seems like a really rich opportunity to incorporate this into a future like a future edit of this shoreline adaptation plan. I will also say we.

Temazcal Meeting Room: even though these requirements seem really

Temazcal Meeting Room: comprehensive and big and like impossible. These are cut down from what we originally included and wanted to include, just in recognition of the fact that

Temazcal Meeting Room: if we have. If we have everybody look at everything, it’s going to take them 20 years to do a plan. And it’s going to be really onerous. So we’ve been really trying to toe the line between comprehensiveness and accessibility.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And that’s 1 of the things that we’re kind of continually getting feedback on. So just thinking through how to make something like that be really accessible for for a user

Temazcal Meeting Room: and incorporate it in a way that becomes second nature in the way people make decisions that that would be ideal. So I think it’d be great to continue to have those conversations about how we how we think that through. Yeah. And that’s exactly what I was thinking when I said I probably wouldn’t have any more specific like recommendations, because

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think the question was for me. Anyway, I the 1st one, was, yeah, I I support what you’ve done, and I can accept it

Temazcal Meeting Room: based on, you know, like support it

Temazcal Meeting Room: based on the idea that there’s recognition that there’s going to be adaptation as this goes forward. And in particular, I like the fact that there’s a specific opening

Temazcal Meeting Room: for improved mapping

Temazcal Meeting Room: that would help everyone.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But that

Temazcal Meeting Room: adaptation is 5 years away is that I mean.

Temazcal Meeting Room: that’s what I’m concerned about the sequence that you’re getting these comments in that they’re too late. And then none of this is going to make it into the plan, or that’s maybe that’s a question.

Temazcal Meeting Room: or is the next update in 5 years?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I had the same concern. But I I’ve kind of been in this world before. And and I’ve

Temazcal Meeting Room: If if they have the deadline, which I think they do, I don’t know

Temazcal Meeting Room: that I would mess with it much, and just say, you know, we’re gonna learn as we go.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean, it’s all about adaptation, right? So we’re adapting our adaptation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Or so

Temazcal Meeting Room: I don’t know. That’s kind of my perspective. But I agree with you that yeah, it’s I think it’s bigger conversation. I’m going to let others speak. But I I just want to say I mean, the vision is beautiful, you know. It’s uncomplicated when it’s a vision, but when you get on the ground it’s actually

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m concerned that they’re they’re

Temazcal Meeting Room: well, I don’t know. Is there a focus on short term actions? That’s really my

Temazcal Meeting Room: issue, like, what do you do tomorrow? And that’s why I raised the issue of the levies of all the cities

Temazcal Meeting Room: in the South Bay.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The only projects we’ve reviewed in the last 2 years are San Mateo County, where the problem is the worst, and the go to solution is riprap and levees. Not.

Temazcal Meeting Room: as in your plan. I think you refer to hard infrastructure and show nice little bay trail, elevated 5 feet or something like that. But these are like these 20 foot walls that are going up in the South Bay

Temazcal Meeting Room: and Foster City building 20 foot wall, so that the homes no longer have, you know, view of the of the bay at all. So for a handful of citizens. They’re completely

Temazcal Meeting Room: making huge impacts on the bay. And I’m just wondering, like, what are we doing about that? I didn’t see that

Temazcal Meeting Room: in the plan. And to me. That’s the most critical thing, because I think we all agree on the vision. I’m not minimizing the work that you’ve done.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But I but I think that

Temazcal Meeting Room: time is of the essence

Temazcal Meeting Room: on that, and what you know, because I think it is, it is pretty easy to just push it out there. It’s like this is the vision and and then you don’t have to do anything, because that’s that’s tomorrow is somebody else’s problem.

Temazcal Meeting Room: anyway, Kristen. You said you had a comment. Well, that’s it’s building on exactly what you just said.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I actually think this whole. I I look at this as quite similar to Mtcabags. Plan Bay Area.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And when that 1st came out everyone was like the regional housing needs assessment. How will it ever work? How will we ever meet these mandates?

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s too much planning that needs to be done. There’s too many obstacles.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and I think what we’ve seen is just by starting

Temazcal Meeting Room: to quantify, to identify tiers, to identify targets, to quantify.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You know, opportunities that each city needs to kind of really look at what they have.

Temazcal Meeting Room: what’s possible.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It started off. I mean the 1st iteration of it had no teeth right?

Temazcal Meeting Room: And now we have all of these laws coming down from the State. You have to meet Rena, Hcd. Saying you are. I’m sorry. This is you’re not actually meeting Rena.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You know this strategy isn’t going to get you there and having more teeth.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and it might take us too long to get there. I mean, just we have a collective action problem in the Us. You know, this is just the

Temazcal Meeting Room: nature of our democracy

Temazcal Meeting Room: and our culture and our society. But I do think that this is a really really good start.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think, requiring jurisdictions to, as you called it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You had a great term for it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You said it’s a

Temazcal Meeting Room: risk disclosure, or whatever you say, I wrote it down, but I can’t find right now. But in order to really, you know, disclose what are the risks that we’re all facing, and

Temazcal Meeting Room: then we can’t back away from it. We may not get there in 5 years. We may not get there in 10 years, probably a lot of property will be lost.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But so far

Temazcal Meeting Room: this is.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, this is the best model that we have to do regional planning in an area where regional planning is really tricky.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and it turns out the local jurisdictions are the place to do this kind of work because you can work closest with the community. You can do those kind of trade-offs

Temazcal Meeting Room: more closely, you can build capacity

Temazcal Meeting Room: and you can actually

Temazcal Meeting Room: implement projects at that scale that that are very hard for us to do regionally, unfortunately.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and I would just say,

Temazcal Meeting Room: Also, the great is the enemy of the good, you know. And so I think this is a really great start. I have a lot of thoughts about

Temazcal Meeting Room: simplifying and questions about kind of like, what’s the right level of

Temazcal Meeting Room: goals to target and action to target from this plan. But I do think

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, coupling it with funding.

Temazcal Meeting Room: figuring out how to fund it. It could be a really effective start, anyway.

Temazcal Meeting Room: can I? Can I? Can. I add on to that? I just wanna

Temazcal Meeting Room: tell you guys a quick story. I gave a presentation to a community

Temazcal Meeting Room: down on the coast

Temazcal Meeting Room: about some issues and adaptation, and I decided to make my presentation

Temazcal Meeting Room: about 40 min or 50 min long.

Temazcal Meeting Room: because I wanted them to feel

Temazcal Meeting Room: how difficult it’s going to be

Temazcal Meeting Room: to get through all this. And if

Temazcal Meeting Room: people told me, you know, you should just be really quick and tell them what you think and what you want and push on that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And the thing is we don’t really. It’s not up to one of us. I mean, this is a process.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And

Temazcal Meeting Room: that’s where I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the added, the Rsap

Temazcal Meeting Room: could be a framework where some of these processes are developed like, I always thought that

Temazcal Meeting Room: or I have thought recently that a redevelopment type concept.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I know we don’t do redevelopment anymore, but a redevelopment type concept where there’s some

Temazcal Meeting Room: funding financing that way.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and you can maybe move people that way, or if it place gets blighted, so to speak, for whatever unfortunate reason, there’s a way to help people

Temazcal Meeting Room: or help

Temazcal Meeting Room: businesses.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I mean, I think there may be ways of

Temazcal Meeting Room: it’s hard to turn a ship this quick, so to speak. I think I think that’s the fundamental. And then, of course, people don’t want to. They just want to sit in their lounge chair and drink a Mai tai or something.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m wondering

Temazcal Meeting Room: on this question of

Temazcal Meeting Room: timeframe.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The deadline for the plan is 10 years. Is there any way

Temazcal Meeting Room: to

Temazcal Meeting Room: encourage request? Require

Temazcal Meeting Room: a 30%, 60% or a 50% submission on the reports. The idea that they’re going to submit a plan

Temazcal Meeting Room: all at once and have it reviewed, and to maybe receive comment and

Temazcal Meeting Room: find that they’re not adequate. And then suddenly, they’re at risk of missing deadlines. Seems like

Temazcal Meeting Room: what we really should be doing is working with working with them, and I know that there’s funding available now to try and encourage that. But I don’t know if that’s enough for everybody. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: what happens when it runs out? Does everybody again just sort of say, well.

Temazcal Meeting Room: well, we’ll let the the next

Temazcal Meeting Room: Then the next election cycle take care of it. I had a similar thought about this, which was what if you took maybe 2 thirds of the planning out of this.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and what you had was in 5 years, or whatever the 3 years. I don’t know what the right time horizon is.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You have to do the analysis, and

Temazcal Meeting Room: a next steps a series of next steps, like one of the things in there is to do.

Temazcal Meeting Room: a land use. What is it?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Let me get this right

Temazcal Meeting Room: short and long term land use changes identifying what the short and long term land use. Changes would be required to implement this.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean, that could take a city

Temazcal Meeting Room: 5 years to figure out, especially through a public input process. You know, working. That’s there’s so much potential

Temazcal Meeting Room: value

Temazcal Meeting Room: of land at stake with that question right? And and how do you determine who gets to build and who gets has to retreat? And

Temazcal Meeting Room: you gotta work with Caltrans and all of that. And so I’m wondering some of those things. It’s like, what if a lot of the kind of plans that

Temazcal Meeting Room: cities that like Stefan and I will have worked with on the with about cities working on their housing elements is like

Temazcal Meeting Room: you have to identify kind of all the risks and the kind of state of things, and then you have to come up with a strategy of what are the next steps that you need to do? And maybe one of their next steps would be

Temazcal Meeting Room: determine a land use, plan that grapples with these risks rather than having to do that within this document.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so, instead of trying to do all of it in 10 years. You’re trying to do the most important fact, finding and kind of grappling with the facts and

Temazcal Meeting Room: having the conversations

Temazcal Meeting Room: about how you might start to think about this in the next 3 years.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then based on that. Then maybe there’s another set of strategies or something after that, and you’ll have a better sense of like what all these jurisdictions are looking at. How many of them really do need to do, Major? Down zonings. How many of them really are having major problems with like Caltrans not wanting to do

Temazcal Meeting Room: upland migration or sediment, you know, whatever.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And then you’ll have a better sense of how to support these different jurisdictions, moving forward

Temazcal Meeting Room: rather than kind of asking them to do these huge pieces of planning work

Temazcal Meeting Room: that require really so much community engagement

Temazcal Meeting Room: when they already are going to have to do so much work to just try to understand the kind of technical aspects of. I mean, I’ve been working in this kind of

Temazcal Meeting Room: the level Rise space for 10 years, and every time Bob says something I’m like learning something new. You know, it’s like a really complicated topic.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and to expect cities to be able to wrap their heads around these things and come up with

Temazcal Meeting Room: not just come up with a plan for what to do next. But like

Temazcal Meeting Room: talk to the community about what are the zoning changes? All of that. It’s incredibly onerous. I can understand how these cities would think that that’s really overwhelming.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I will say that a lot of our requirements are actually, when you actually look at the submittal standards. They’re pretty lightweight. They are intended to really just get people thinking about certain topic areas and telling us how they’ve thought it through.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So the land use and policy plan. You know, you could say, like.

Temazcal Meeting Room: this is in our next steps like we need to, we need to develop a more robust land use and policy plan. A lot of our submittals are described how you’ve thought about this this thing. So we have tried to kind of dial back. You know the the submittals that you would need to have figured out, and I’ll also say that even though we’re not doing interim kind of submittals over time and phasing the the how people turn in their plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think that the plan that we’re setting up for technical assistance and consultations is sort of unofficially doing that we’re going to start doing outreach to cities and counties who haven’t started their plans in a certain time. You know, we’re going to check in with people on a very regular basis. We’re going to look at each of the pieces that they’re working on as they do it, so that they don’t have to do the whole process

Temazcal Meeting Room: at once, and then say, Oh, gosh! We did it wrong. So I think

Temazcal Meeting Room: it’s not something that we necessarily wanted to put in a formal

Temazcal Meeting Room: requirements in the in the plan itself, because that’s part of our bay plan. And it’s it’s not as flexible to update, but that in practice I think that the way that we will be engaging and learning from cities and counties is a lot more aligned with the process that you’re talking about

Temazcal Meeting Room: anything. No, I think that that makes sense. And I think you know as as it’s out for public review, we’re also every time this happens we do our own internal review again, because the fast moving process. So we’ve been kind of looking over all of that as well, and trying to see where we can either add clarity. Where kind of we intended for this to be this like 1st step.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think what’s challenging, too, is that different jurisdictions may be at different phases. So this may and I don’t know yet how that translate into into what we write in the document versus just how we assess and how we communicate. But there are some jurisdictions that maybe they have a plan, and so maybe there is a more of a conversation about what is next. You know you’ve already kind of done a lot of that. Your community is set up differently than

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe a jurisdiction or a plan that comes in. And this is really just their 1st bite at the apple. So I think we’re thinking through that as well, and that’s always been on our mind, which is like the variety of land, the variety of the Bay area. It’s a big shoreline 3rd of California’s coastline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And how do we standardize something and allow look like that nuance? So I think there’s some, maybe clarification. And also just looking at the language itself and making sure that, are we asking for more than we need? Or or where are we allowing for that like discretion

Temazcal Meeting Room: in terms of what we’re asking for?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think the templates you described

Temazcal Meeting Room: would probably be really helpful, because when I read.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know,

Temazcal Meeting Room: Having describing the short and long term land use changes. I was like, Oh, my God, I just can’t. I mean, that takes

Temazcal Meeting Room: that can take years with cities, you know, that can take. And that’s a huge I mean just talking about like up zoning along the Caltrain corridor

Temazcal Meeting Room: like there’s in some cities. There’s ballot measures that you have to go through, you know, like there’s just so much process.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so if it’s not really asking them to make decisions about that or have a plan for that, I think that is helpful to know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, one thing is, we split the submittal requirements from the actual like plan requirements. And so you read the plan requirement. And you’re like, oh, my God, that sounds! And then you can go several pages later and look at the submittal requirement and be like, oh, they just are asking for a couple of sentences. But I think maybe we did ourselves a little bit of a disservice by splitting those, because then there isn’t the the link or that immediate

Temazcal Meeting Room: Communication of the expectation of what? Of what we’re we actually mean by that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Stefan, do you want to comment? Yeah, I really appreciate this discussion. And I want to say that on the

Temazcal Meeting Room: positive side

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think there is a lot of

Temazcal Meeting Room: planning that’s been done

Temazcal Meeting Room: through the lens of climate action plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: sustainable components of like general plan updates.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But of course, all that’s been done sort of in the bubble of an individual jurisdiction.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I can see a lot of incentive and value in encouraging jurisdictions to participate or collaborate.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Not only because

Temazcal Meeting Room: some of those things could emerge as regional projects which could be more valuable.

Temazcal Meeting Room: particularly if natural systems are involved.

Temazcal Meeting Room: than individual jurisdictions, saying, to do levies, for example, to Gary’s point, but also because, for consistency reasons

Temazcal Meeting Room: having fewer plans to administer.

Temazcal Meeting Room: it’s like good for everybody. And that’s it. I

Temazcal Meeting Room: I I trust that you have a handle on that, because I know that there’s some places like San Mateo where there has been a real.

Temazcal Meeting Room: a significant amount of

Temazcal Meeting Room: cross jurisdictional collaboration around the shoreline. But there’s other places like Solano, like where I would be like, I have no idea what’s happening. So I’m gonna tell you my Marin county story.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So

Temazcal Meeting Room: I’m going to keep this short.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But so, Sb, 2 gets adopted in 2017.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And that’s basically right connecting funds for affordable housing.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Through real estate transaction tax. Sb. 35 gets adopted. The same year

Temazcal Meeting Room: I had conversations with Abag, Mtc. That year about the potential

Temazcal Meeting Room: and State law was starting to require objective design standards for housing, for ministerial housing projects, but the potential for sort of regional

Temazcal Meeting Room: zoning applications.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we spent 2 years having internal discussions. Is it possible? Are there any takers?

Temazcal Meeting Room: All the jurisdictions we’re talking to is like, no way.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, we’re not. We’re not like other people.

Temazcal Meeting Room: If you do something regional. It’s not going to be valuable. We can’t do this together with this other person, because we’re just too different. Their zoning ordinances, community commercial, our zoning ordinances, commercial community. It’s not the same thing. I know that the numbers are the same. There’s no way that we can collaborate with them. Lots of excuses. By 2019 we got the Marin jurisdictions to agree to do this together.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It took a while. And there’s Marina’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: is useful because 10 of the jurisdictions are the same size.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so there’s like some, there’s, there’s a similar geography where people can get in the same room and say, oh, we’re similar. So! And it. What was pushing that? There was that there was a county collab that had been created, which you guys know about those which had been

Temazcal Meeting Room: directed to collaborate on housing issues that were shared

Temazcal Meeting Room: so

Temazcal Meeting Room: 11 jurisdictions plus the county, we got

Temazcal Meeting Room: 10 of them, plus the county to participate. One of them right away said, I’m not going to do this with you. Of the 11 that participated

Temazcal Meeting Room: we this was

Temazcal Meeting Room: to fall back on

Temazcal Meeting Room: the Mpo. Through State funding, had created

Temazcal Meeting Room: a whole library of technical assistance tools to say, If you’re going to do this, do it this way.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so they within that structure we got.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We drafted a regional toolkit for these these 10 jurisdictions

Temazcal Meeting Room: 5 of them agreed to adopt from that

Temazcal Meeting Room: 2 of them

Temazcal Meeting Room: subsequently agreed, and are still working on it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And the other 3 said, This is not us. We’re not going to do this. So if you took the reach like the regional lens in that county, the goal would have been that there’s 1

Temazcal Meeting Room: solution that, like the minimum number we’re getting is like 4 or 5. And this is like in the least populated, most geographically similar

Temazcal Meeting Room: sort of jurisdictional component. And I know that this is, it’s a much different geography we’re talking about, because we’re talking about a much more holistic and

Temazcal Meeting Room: heterogeneous geography than what happens at the shoreline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But what that required to do that was one. We had to have

Temazcal Meeting Room: really some regional champion or champions that was willing to take a leadership role among the jurisdictions. And we realized that that actually couldn’t be a consultant. It needed to be somebody who was local, who was knowledgeable enough, but also willing, had the willingness to take that role.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We also found that there was like no

Temazcal Meeting Room: structure for interagency collaboration.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that was also a situation where it was easy, because the county controlled most of like right of ways and things like that. But that seems like it would be like a really important avenue

Temazcal Meeting Room: to multi jurisdictional collaboration that the the agencies can come to the table. So if there’s a discussion of levies, and there’s a lot of right-of-ways that are adjacent that are somehow out of the project description. There’s an opportunity to like mold those together.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The other thing was like

Temazcal Meeting Room: some ability to generate a common lexicon between jurisdictions.

Temazcal Meeting Room: because we do have these

Temazcal Meeting Room: superimposed systems like Plan Bay Area. But everybody has their own general plan. It’s their own nomenclature. And there’s this insistence that they are

Temazcal Meeting Room: somehow unique and different

Temazcal Meeting Room: even from their neighbor, which that can’t be overcome through this process. But the process can actually either rely on

Temazcal Meeting Room: or generate a common lexicon that those jurisdictions can use. And I think that actually is

Temazcal Meeting Room: super important, because that’s when they start to understand.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Oh, we could do this together, and we could collaborate together. On this effort. And if there’s things like

Temazcal Meeting Room: common regulations that would emerge from this where you could get multiple jurisdictions to adopt us an overlay or something where the sea level rise. Impacts are going to apply. That would be huge benefit. To being able to do that. So part of that is maybe how you set up the process. The other part is like what is in the technical assistance.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Library to

Temazcal Meeting Room: to implement that work? So I think all of those things

Temazcal Meeting Room: is around answering this question of.

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe it’s question number 2 around sort of what the biggest challenges are, and what sort of tools? I think might be helpful for

Temazcal Meeting Room: land development.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Hey? Hey, Stefan, on that that was really interesting and useful

Temazcal Meeting Room: to me.

Temazcal Meeting Room: In that process. It sounds like it was.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, a very much, a an attempt to to, you know, to collab, get people to collaborate, or, you know, municipalities to villages whatever to collaborate.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Was there? Were there any like sticks or or constraints that that would, you know, kind of help people collaborate. Was there anything that came out of that? Or was all just like what people?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, I mean, this gets to Christian’s point, that, you know, like state law was basically mandating that you needed to have these tools in place

Temazcal Meeting Room: by a certain time. Otherwise, you know, there was

Temazcal Meeting Room: like ministerial approval was required. So it’s like, if you didn’t have objective design standards and you had a project that was proposed. You just needed to approve it

Temazcal Meeting Room: if it wasn’t in place. So there was a timeline. And because of the state mandate.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the community outreach process

Temazcal Meeting Room: could be really minimized.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Because what are we really? There was very little

Temazcal Meeting Room: asking their opinion, and more about informing them about the process, because again it was responding to a state mandate. But even with those 2 very heavy

Temazcal Meeting Room: 6 we’re still talking about like a 7 year timeframe

Temazcal Meeting Room: to.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I would say, get to sort of like a majority success in sort of implementing that

Temazcal Meeting Room: and I think

Temazcal Meeting Room: that that

Temazcal Meeting Room: what the value that you would have here is that there’s these

Temazcal Meeting Room: critical

Temazcal Meeting Room: pieces of infrastructure that somebody has already

Temazcal Meeting Room: the process for funding and improving and making that resilient is already in place before these individual subregional plans

Temazcal Meeting Room: are going to be drafted, and so that all that low hanging fruit in the implementation plan

Temazcal Meeting Room: there ideally is already a structure in place to actually make sure that that gets built and funded

Temazcal Meeting Room: all of the short term sort of year 0 stuff

Temazcal Meeting Room: that all the plans would reflect. It doesn’t have to wait for these plans

Temazcal Meeting Room: in order to implement that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But I think the opportunity in my mind to your point is like

Temazcal Meeting Room: where you can get to a better natural solution.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The regional collaboration

Temazcal Meeting Room: we? We don’t have a good model for that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And the

Temazcal Meeting Room: ask if our efforts here and on the East coast

Temazcal Meeting Room: sort of resulted in the

Temazcal Meeting Room: sort of a

Temazcal Meeting Room: like. The lowest common denominator solution is sort of ultimately what what gets built.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean, I think in my mind like, that’s a big

Temazcal Meeting Room: concern. If we’re looking at this critical like, what can we do between now and 2050,

Temazcal Meeting Room: and to like be really

Temazcal Meeting Room: innovative and like, what? What can we do as planners to

Temazcal Meeting Room: fear the process

Temazcal Meeting Room: away from the

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know the the 35 mile levee wall, you know, or whatever it is, and and towards sort of like really innovative nature. Yeah, I really share the concern about how we’re locking the shoreline into place, as I’ve mentioned before.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and you know. But I just.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think this to your point. I think this probably will require

Temazcal Meeting Room: some

Temazcal Meeting Room: additional work at the regional level

Temazcal Meeting Room: to guide, and if not coax or even

Temazcal Meeting Room: strongly encourage

Temazcal Meeting Room: people to play together, to try to result in a regional

Temazcal Meeting Room: adaptation plan. Regional planning. It’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: I haven’t seen it done yet actually on the Pacific Coast. We started talking about it in Monterey, Southern Monterey Bay, around

Temazcal Meeting Room: 2,008 or

Temazcal Meeting Room: before that, but anyway, still hasn’t happened really completely yet. Last point that I wanted to make, which is also sort of like heavy on my mind, is that one of the things that slowed the implementation

Temazcal Meeting Room: was literally just around capacity.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that the long range planners who are the best empowered to

Temazcal Meeting Room: enable this kind of work

Temazcal Meeting Room: on the jurisdictional side. They were all preoccupied with their State mandates to

Temazcal Meeting Room: update their housing element.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and in many and in many cities, because of, like the

Temazcal Meeting Room: the gravity of that situation. State mandates around the timelines. They were sucking all of their resources, you know, in long range planning in most of these jurisdictions is maybe one full time person.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and they are spending all they’re spending all their time sort of preoccupied with

Temazcal Meeting Room: the other stuff that was mandated by state, which really sort of

Temazcal Meeting Room: it really limited the capacity to focus on a

Temazcal Meeting Room: equally significant long range planning effort.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so that’s in my mind, like on the technical assistance side. If there are not everything from

Temazcal Meeting Room: resources that existing planners can obtain to

Temazcal Meeting Room: actual planners that can sort of go into these jurisdictions to help implement these things, it would help for a more successful outcome on the 2034 timeline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you for listening. I know that was really long, so I appreciate the chance to talk about this.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah.

Temazcal Meeting Room: well, I think

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think that’s really I think that’s really good

Temazcal Meeting Room: example of how this could play out.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I also think Bcdc. Has a unique

Temazcal Meeting Room: opportunity

Temazcal Meeting Room: with the permitting requirements that

Temazcal Meeting Room: gives sort of regional teeth. And one of my, you know, I work with a lot of private developers on waterfront sites. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: the thing that I’ve learned about working with developers is they just want certainty.

Temazcal Meeting Room: They just want to know what the requirements are.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and I think we’ve talked a lot on this board about 24 inches. Is it really enough?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think this plan clearly indicates it’s not

Temazcal Meeting Room: and I think just like if there was more clarity

Temazcal Meeting Room: from Bcdc. Around things like

Temazcal Meeting Room: like we, how many slews have we seen where the strategy for public access was to harden the edge.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Right? We know that that’s not the ideal solution.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We know that a more natural solution is desired. But there’s this sort of like blunt

Temazcal Meeting Room: requirement for public access that butts up against the property line and the feasible development of a site.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And therefore we get this hardened edge. And it’s just that on this very piecemeal basis.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And the bay plan itself does have

Temazcal Meeting Room: requirements for things like this is a recreation area. And this is a protected wetland. And I wonder if

Temazcal Meeting Room: the Bay plan could actually just do some of this work that Bob was talking about of kind of looking at the bigger picture and identifying places where

Temazcal Meeting Room: there, or maybe updating.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean, I don’t know how frequently it’s updated, but

Temazcal Meeting Room: or clarifying or increasing the numbers, or whatever it is around, kind of bigger picture strategies, so that when a developer goes to acquire a piece of land

Temazcal Meeting Room: they go. Oh, you know, this is like, got a requirement for a soft waterfront, and it’s also got this access requirement and

Temazcal Meeting Room: 6 and a half feet. I got a plan, for they have someone do a quick back of the envelope for them and they go.

Temazcal Meeting Room: This site’s not developable.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Just so they have certainty ahead of time about what the requirements are, rather than all of us kind of trying to

Temazcal Meeting Room: gently or not, so gently push them in a different direction when the site just won’t let them. Right?

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I do think the permitting requirement is a really special tool that Bcdc has

Temazcal Meeting Room: to take those kind of priority areas where we maybe really want to lose that carry sediment that are really, you know, the kind of

Temazcal Meeting Room: how do you prioritize these places? How do we think about? You know the wave echoes and things like that kind of in this bigger picture, and have more like clear strategies that are

Temazcal Meeting Room: with higher levels of sea level rise anticipated, and taking into account all of these things in a regional way, so that when cities go to do their plans they can see that the Bay Plan says

Temazcal Meeting Room: this slew is really not a place for channelization.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Full stop. And I think that’s a really unique opportunity that Bcdc. Has that

Temazcal Meeting Room: there was, you know. Mtc. And Abag don’t have that. They didn’t have that. And now Hcd. Has teeth, but it took 20 years to get there 15 or whatever it was, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So

Temazcal Meeting Room: we’re really behind that. You know, the Bcdc’s mandate is

Temazcal Meeting Room: no bay fill and maximize public access. So there’s a lot that we can’t require at this point or deny at this point, as long as you meet kind of those those mandates.

Temazcal Meeting Room: This is what we’re looking at really diving deeper into, so that we can make sure that our plans are reinforced by our permitting policies. But we’re not. We’re not. It’s going to take a little bit of time to get to that point. I thought the bay the Bay Fill rule was had been reconsidered.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s possible with a Bay plan. Amendment in 2019 was built for habitat.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So there is some consideration of the trade off between habitat.

Temazcal Meeting Room: rebuilding habitats and bay fill. Yeah, you’re correct.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Well.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I don’t. I don’t know what the answer is, but I think, after 10 years of reviewing projects that I would say 90% of what you know. What we’ve ever seen is riprap and

Temazcal Meeting Room: and levees. I don’t think we’ve ever. In fact, I’ll say that we have never seen

Temazcal Meeting Room: the project we’re looking for until we reviewed the Alameda project, the deep Pave park. Okay?

Temazcal Meeting Room: And so I want to suggest that included in the report is case studies

Temazcal Meeting Room: of successful examples

Temazcal Meeting Room: around the bay that you can point to, because I I think the whole thing is.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, I mean, it’s it’s actually very frustrating to see how people interpret

Temazcal Meeting Room: our feedback.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I will take Mission Rock Park, for example, as as an example.

Temazcal Meeting Room: mission rock Park was planned, as you know, by the former chair of the Bcdc. Design Review Board

Temazcal Meeting Room: best firms in the world, and they did a great job. They had an incredible landscape architect. We approved the park. We saw it many times. They raised the site 7 feet. They did all these model things.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and I think a lot of that

Temazcal Meeting Room: was looking good because there was this idea to create this soft shoreline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: to step the park down into the bay, and they hire, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: well-known landscape architect who’s known in New York City for doing similar work

Temazcal Meeting Room: at the end of the day I watched that park get built.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You go out there. It’s a riprap shore.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay, they raise the side 10 feet. It’s nothing but a levee, and the 1st thing they did was pour

Temazcal Meeting Room: so much concrete would never believe it. I mean concrete, like 4, 5, 6 feet thick over that entire site.

Temazcal Meeting Room: After they poured the concrete they put in foam blocks another whatever 6 feet of foam stacked up. I don’t know if you were there to actually witness this miracle of engineering.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then a cap of soil

Temazcal Meeting Room: which was somewhere between, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: 2 feet and 4 feet or something, and brought in big trees. But it’s it’s all just. It’s a terrarium. It’s a raised planter box, that’s all it is, and it looks beautiful, and it’s a success, and we can all declare it a wonderful triumph.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You know it’s like the best one of the best developers in the United States, Tishman from New York City, with the giants putting up, you know, their land and port

Temazcal Meeting Room: and you know. Somehow I don’t know why, but it didn’t happen. You know. They pulled back. There’s the money. There’s all the things you’ve probably been, you know, probably ran into a lot of logistical jurisdictional problems trying to implement that I call it. I use the analogy of, have you ever driven a 4 wheel drive off road in the mountains where there’s logging trails.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I did that one time, and my fear was that I would

Temazcal Meeting Room: slide into the ruts that were so deep that my truck would just get ice centers.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Unfortunately, we have these institutional practices where? And a lot of it’s engineering you. You just end up in a rut, you know. It’s like

Temazcal Meeting Room: they probably spent a lot of money on that, too. I haven’t looked at it myself. But

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah, the engine, you know it’s the flip side of of getting engineers involved sometimes that they just are really concerned about risk. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah, overdo it. You know, it works for people. The park is, you know, everybody loves it. But

Temazcal Meeting Room: the issues that we’re talking about here is try to hard to imagine how this plan, you know, disrupts that that process because we’ve seen it over and over again.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So I, I personally feel like that. They’re the report is great, and it’s better to get it out there than to not get it out there because it

Temazcal Meeting Room: raises the bar, gets people thinking about it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: but at the same time I feel like

Temazcal Meeting Room: it only really came to our attention a very short amount of time ago, and I think it was a lot of information to absorb

Temazcal Meeting Room: very quickly last time, and we kind of got our toe in the water, and you can see now that with this report that you put out all this detailed information. You’re getting very detailed feedback, and I feel like it’s too rushed. I don’t know what we can do about that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But you know I

Temazcal Meeting Room: if it was up to me, or at least I would like to put on the table that there’s an interim meeting, that instead of going from here to

Temazcal Meeting Room: the Commission that that maybe there’s another interim meeting where Jacinta can attend, and we can get Tom’s feedback and maybe try to make sense out of comments, because

Temazcal Meeting Room: the 1st thing I said when we got here is like, you don’t want big picture comments right now, do you? You know, knowing about the dates, but that’s what

Temazcal Meeting Room: I mean. I try to stay quiet because I want to see what other people think. But I but I see that we’re getting a lot of big picture comments. So what do we do with that? I think it’s a question to you, Ashley. Where where do we go from here.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I don’t think the calendar for adoption from the State law 2 72.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Allow us for an interim meeting, just because it is going to the Commission next Thursday

Temazcal Meeting Room: for their public hearing. The vote is in December.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and just with

Temazcal Meeting Room: mailing notices 10 days in advance of a meeting like

Temazcal Meeting Room: it is impossible.

Temazcal Meeting Room: so we can’t have another meeting after the Commission.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Oh, we can have a follow up meeting after

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe after it’s voted on before. This is before this document is released the end of the year.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We don’t have the ability to take in comments after the end of the public comment period, because we were doing everything we can to incorporate the public comment and put out the draft in time for the mailing for the December 5th meeting.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So it’s at at for this draft at least. The the door closes next next week.

Temazcal Meeting Room: If you think it’s fast for you. Imagine being the ones trying to write this and meet a legislative deadline. So we we.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Larry. One of Larry’s favorite lines is that we know we’re going to get it wrong the 1st time, and I don’t necessarily think it’s wrong per se. But there is definitely recognition that there’s lots that we still need to work out.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And this is our first.st This is our 1st version of it. And when we’re going to learn a lot from cities and counties as they as they work through these plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: We’re going to learn a lot from our commissioners and from you, and from the process that we go through to look at how we better link these plans to our

Temazcal Meeting Room: to our permitting authorities. So we’re very much in recognition that this is fast for everybody. It was. It was something we were mandated to do in this timeline.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that we’re going to be working on this for for many years to come.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So could we.

Temazcal Meeting Room: if we want to make a recommendation. W. Would it be that this process continues after this, Rsap is continued

Temazcal Meeting Room: because the Rsap in and of itself

Temazcal Meeting Room: is about adaptation. So the art Rsap could be adapted.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And in particular.

Temazcal Meeting Room: what’s that every 5 years?

Temazcal Meeting Room: What is that? The Rsap or the sub-regional rsaps?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, we’ve committed to updating the guidelines every 5 years. We don’t want to be. We don’t want to keep moving the needle. So we’re trying to find the the boundary between putting something out there that is not constantly shifting and changing and being timely enough to incorporate

Temazcal Meeting Room: thought is, if you can’t go straight, then you go around something. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: what what about it? Having

Temazcal Meeting Room: the recognition that there could be amendments or additional tools provided

Temazcal Meeting Room: from a regional perspective to inform the rcaps. And this is like the map thing that I was talking about and maybe getting charged to help with some of these issues, you know, like a flood control group or something.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and and that we would recommend that the Drb. If not the ecrb as well.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Maybe participate in that process.

Temazcal Meeting Room: or or we would support. I don’t know. What do you think of that?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Actually, I have a a similar kind of thought, which is, there’s a huge gap in knowledge, right in terms like the cities that are going to be

Temazcal Meeting Room: doing this planning. There’s so much to learn about sea level rise, and

Temazcal Meeting Room: even just the maps that you’ve asked, I think, are going to be like a huge. You know, a lot of these cities are like, I don’t even really understand what this map is about.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think in the way that you roll this out and roll out the technical assistance. There’s a huge opportunity there

Temazcal Meeting Room: to

Temazcal Meeting Room: have sort of like

Temazcal Meeting Room: advocacy or directionality in terms of

Temazcal Meeting Room: that big picture thinking and the major opportunities that each of these jurisdictions have in order to think about things like sedimentation and green infrastructure.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And maybe that’s a way through the technical assistance and through. You know all the different ways that you’re going to be working with these jurisdictions to like really

Temazcal Meeting Room: point them in the right direction.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, that’s what I was going to say. Things like case studies and templates. That’s all part of the technical assistance program. Because we didn’t. We actually intentionally stripped those out of this because it is a Bay Plan amendment. And therefore it can’t be updated on a regular basis. But the Ta program can. We can add in, you know, all the other things that we want people to know that we want people to consider different tools, different examples like, that’s the flexible portion of this.

Temazcal Meeting Room: the the amendment. The Bay Plan Amendment itself is a lot less flexible just because it’s it because of the process that we need to go through to get to it. But the you’re you’re you’re totally right there that the technical assistance program is.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, that’s where we can adjust. That’s where we can be nimble. That’s where we can reflect what we’re hearing from cities and counties.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I think also, what I’m trying to say is

Temazcal Meeting Room: that’s also a place where you can

Temazcal Meeting Room: provide a lot more information and advocacy towards the kind of

Temazcal Meeting Room: maybe not the 1st strategies off the rank of the levies and the the hard infrastructure.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and really

Temazcal Meeting Room: like, provide enough support that they can understand what this would mean.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And then, if there’s a way later down the line for the Bay plan, or the permitting authority to be able to be implementing some of those things at that higher level. I think that’s really

Temazcal Meeting Room: a major opportunity.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think. Also, Stefan, what you mentioned about having enough staff resources. I think that for you guys.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, if you’re going to be reviewing all of these plans and giving all this technical capacity. That’s a huge lift for staff. And I think that’s important to consider. I mean, I probably don’t have to tell you guys that. But whoever it is, Larry, if you’re listening.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You you guys are going to need to a lot of support in order to help pull this off also. Yeah. So we did get a a budget allocation over the next 3 years, for it’s for 15 staff. 6 are replacing grant funded staff. So we have 9 new staff positions for this.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and they will be distributed kind of throughout the agency to help support this from from different departments, including we have. We’re hiring a new lawyer to to help us with this. And

Temazcal Meeting Room: so Gary.

Temazcal Meeting Room: with your desire to see

Temazcal Meeting Room: this in the future.

Temazcal Meeting Room: would bringing back the technical assistance program as a way for the Drb. To review the recommendations, and how staff are moving forward with the plans. Satisfy

Temazcal Meeting Room: your need to see it again

Temazcal Meeting Room: before 5 years are you talking about between now and the end of the year? Or you’re talking about over the next 5 years? I don’t think

Temazcal Meeting Room: another meeting in 2024 is in the cards. Yeah. But I mean this technical assistance thing. But the technical assistance is not really about.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So if we brought the technical assistance program to you guys for guidance.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Would that satisfy your need to see it again?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Sure, I I think that’s yeah. We should do whatever is the best thing we can. We can do.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. But are you saying that’s a 5 year process. So we would work on the I don’t. I don’t know what’s the relationship between these

Temazcal Meeting Room: documents. You’re saying the technical assistance

Temazcal Meeting Room: program can be implemented immediately.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. So we have a consultant right now, who’s developing a work plan for us. That we will receive in January, and then we will start. It will be something that will build over time. But we’ll open, you know. Open the doors and hang our our sign early next year. And then that that ta program will start with a sort of basic set, a basic management structure and a basic set of resources. And then just continue to to grow that over time. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: and that is, you know, like, like the the Dta program, is any tool, any guidance, any interpretation? Any connections that we can make facilitation that helps to apply these guidelines. So there’s lots of opportunity there.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. So that you said, you can include case studies in that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think that’s a good idea.

Temazcal Meeting Room: What about the

Temazcal Meeting Room: Leo’s suggestion of having stages of submission for the subregional plans.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Is that something that

Temazcal Meeting Room: anyone else would like to? Leo asked me to raise that, and I think it’s a good idea. But I’m not a planner, so I don’t know if you have on that, or if it’s something that

Temazcal Meeting Room: can be amended into the

Temazcal Meeting Room: adaptation plan at this stage

Temazcal Meeting Room: we likely wouldn’t have the Commission approve various phases of the plan that would just come at the at the end.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But it’s you know, we could be open to having an interim deadline interim reviews. Yeah, they don’t. I don’t think they have.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, I mean, that is incorporated into the process with the required staff check-ins at least 3. We don’t. We could add some definition about what each of those check-ins needs to cover and what people should come prepared to to submit. But there’s only going to be one approval by the Commission. So. But but I think that’s consistent with what I’ve seen on the Pacific coast with the Coastal Commission is that there’s

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah. The whole set setup includes

Temazcal Meeting Room: benchmarks where there’s at least a public meeting. Maybe a technical advisory committee, or, you know, different groups meet

Temazcal Meeting Room: and the staff might pay. Yeah, participate or listen, and then

Temazcal Meeting Room: have a direct communication.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I I guess, as needed, but probably you know, at that benchmark to see if things like. If they decide that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know groundwater is not an issue, or I don’t know something, you know, that would be probably something that wouldn’t get too far. Or if it’s that that’s kind of a

Temazcal Meeting Room: overplayed example. But

Temazcal Meeting Room: it sounds like you would have

Temazcal Meeting Room: intermediates the middles is part of the scope of work for the sub regional or set regional plans. Right?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Benchmarks.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. I mean, there are various deliverables included in the submittal plan requirements, and so we could easily kind of break those up into benchmarks that align with consultations.

Temazcal Meeting Room: What I heard is, and that’s what my experience has been, because you want to catch people before they’re done.

Temazcal Meeting Room: If they’re on the wrong path. Yeah, yeah.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And I just want Jackie needs to run and catch the last ferry so I can. I’m happy to stay a little bit longer. But

Temazcal Meeting Room: if you have any last minute thoughts for Jackie, now’s the time.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay, just thank you. I’m just trying to limit our comments at this point to things that are actually going to be useful for you. You know I think you you understand the kind of conversation that it raised, and I think people are very appreciative of all the work you’ve done. And I think we’re

Temazcal Meeting Room: we need to get this document out there into the world. But but is there anything else that

Temazcal Meeting Room: that are that would be considered to be very useful comments that would actually be incorporated into the

Temazcal Meeting Room: document before.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It is completed that you have time to do that. I mean, you basically have a week or something. Is that right? Or you have? Oh, we have. We have time after the public comment period. Another update. Right? But I I do feel like we’ve gotten some really great thoughts from you all today some things that I think we can

Temazcal Meeting Room: and think about incorporating in a lot of things that I think are going to be continued conversation were raised today, and that we can continue to do that with you.

Temazcal Meeting Room: either in discussing the Ta program or with our rising Sea Level Commissioner working group that’s talking. That’s going to be talking about like how we change our underlying laws and policies. So I certainly think there’s a lot more room for conversation. I think you raised a lot more, a lot of things that are not easily resolved. And that’s okay. That’s good. You know, we we knew

Temazcal Meeting Room: we know already that there are a lot of things that fall into that category, but I do feel, at least in my notes. I have some some things that are applicable in this in the next draft that’s going to be coming to the Commission. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think it’d be helpful for us for our for feedback to just know of the things that you heard, which ones

Temazcal Meeting Room: our our

Temazcal Meeting Room: useful, and which ones would be addressed in this document before the end of the year.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then which ones could be placed in some other. You know there’s another mechanism to deal with the other comments, and then maybe there’s other things you heard that just like there is no

Temazcal Meeting Room: resolution for, or something like that where we just

Temazcal Meeting Room: put it aside or something. But I think it’s a

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think this conversation is.

Temazcal Meeting Room: would be good for

Temazcal Meeting Room: for all the Board members to revisit, like what was the impact of us having

Temazcal Meeting Room: reviewed all this and told you, and then what did what it did? It have any effect, you know, and if not, why, what do we do better, you know, next time

Temazcal Meeting Room: and and then for future board members, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think

Temazcal Meeting Room: we don’t want to lose track of this. Well, we do have a much more transparent

Temazcal Meeting Room: public comment and response

Temazcal Meeting Room: process set up because this is a mandated public comment. So we are tracking every single comment. And, as I said earlier, this doesn’t count as official public comment for Bcdc. But we’re tracking internal comments as well. And you all are considered internal comments. So we’re organizing all the responses that we get and how we’re and how we’re going to respond to them. So that’s certainly something we could provide. Bcdc staff and and board members make public comments

Temazcal Meeting Room: and staff. We asked to submit internally. But you all are not Bcdc. Staff, even though you’re on an advisory board. So you you are welcome to provide official public comment.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I asked my friends to tell me all the things like secretly before before they set. Say it out to the world.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, no worries. I’m wrapping up. I think it’s fine. Yeah, thanks a lot.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I just have one, maybe concluding comment. And I think maybe my previous comment shows like what I’m preoccupied of what keeps me up at night. But I I think the

Temazcal Meeting Room: that

Temazcal Meeting Room: technical nature of this of this document which I think is really to be commended because it’s really complicated.

Temazcal Meeting Room: And the response from Alameda

Temazcal Meeting Room: that sort of

Temazcal Meeting Room: says to me that the successful implementation of this will be in fewer.

Temazcal Meeting Room: fewer plans that can accommodate a higher degree of complexity and the ability to respond to the checklist

Temazcal Meeting Room: and and more. And so I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: at given

Temazcal Meeting Room: the planning situation that we have, I would just want to make sure that there is a mechanism in place to

Temazcal Meeting Room: steer this towards successful implementation.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and to like, not let it get caught up in that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The the sound that individual jurisdictions will make to say, this is too complicated. I don’t want to have to do this because of the complexity of what you’re asking me to do.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I have a couple of thoughts before you conclude.

Temazcal Meeting Room: before we conclude he’s a concluding thoughts. So. But 2 of them are maybe ideas for support, and 3 are just like annoying, pedantic details.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I was wondering I was as I was reading it. I was thinking, maybe if you created cohorts of cities that were kind of moving through the process at the same time who had similar issues. They could do

Temazcal Meeting Room: kind of peer support. That’s something that

Temazcal Meeting Room: Abag did with. They created a set of objective standards as kind of a catch-all that cities could adopt. But also they had

Temazcal Meeting Room: a lot of meetings between similar cities where and it was helpful for them to be able to talk to each other about. How did you address this? How did you address that? So that might be a way to kind of give a lot of support to folks who you’re anticipating are going to have similar kind of issues. Maybe you’ve already thought about this.

Temazcal Meeting Room: I also really really think the idea of having a stepwise approach like these are the things we would like you to bring to the 1st meeting with Bcdc. These are the things we’d like you to bring to the second, and these are the 3, rd

Temazcal Meeting Room: I think, clarifying that for cities will really help them understand

Temazcal Meeting Room: the

Temazcal Meeting Room: The best way to engage with you all, but also it’ll help them write their scope for consultants, because they’re gonna have to hire a lot of consultants to do this work. So if you can give them that and kind of expected timelines, the extent that you can kind of spoon, feed them.

Temazcal Meeting Room: scope for their rfps, I think would be really helpful, especially because a lot of them probably don’t have expertise in.

Temazcal Meeting Room: You know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: this kind of, you know, work.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay, those are my 2 ideas. And then here’s my 3 pedantic things. I’m sorry.

Temazcal Meeting Room: The maps have the legend on the facing pages, not on the maps themselves, and I think it’s so nice to be able to just pull the page and have all the information on the one page. So if you could, just if you put those legends that just. It’s a simple thing. It makes it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, it makes it so much easier to use those maps in like presentations and things. They’re gonna do. Do you know what I mean by that? Yeah.

Temazcal Meeting Room: on page 83

Temazcal Meeting Room: on page 83. It’s the superfund sites. I think you might be missing Moffitt Field. I’m pretty sure that’s a superfund site.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Which site Moffitt Field at NASA Ames, the whole

Temazcal Meeting Room: and then on page 87,

Temazcal Meeting Room: the hydrological connectivity Map.

Temazcal Meeting Room: It shows these kind of reaches or these kind of like larger areas. It’d be really helpful to have the outlines of the jurisdictions on that, so they can just see really quickly. Where are their shared?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Where are the things that might be shared between jurisdictions? Because if I’m a jurisdiction. Looking at this, I’d love to be able to quickly be like.

Temazcal Meeting Room: oh, I have nothing really to do with my neighbor to the north, but there’s a lot to do with my neighbor to the south, or, Wow. All 3 of us have a lot of this stuff in common. Let’s work together. Just kind of

Temazcal Meeting Room: make that really clear.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah. And to that last point, the online online mapping platform does make that a lot more transparent. You can overlay all sorts of jurisdictional boundaries and things like that.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But yes, thank you. Those are all great points.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Well, the risk of being redundant. I just want to say again, I think that the you know all the regulations, everything that we do is all

Temazcal Meeting Room: pointing to a different outcome than the one that we’ve seen implemented around the bay, and that over time the bay. My biggest concern is that the entire bay gets a levy around it. The whole thing eventually.

Temazcal Meeting Room: you know, that’s that’s what we’re seeing. And I think a lot of it is under the radar. So we’re not really. It’s not in the public eye, like. I think people would be shocked if they drove down to Alviso or or went through Foster City along the waterfront right now.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and just. It’s a kind of a big question. You know. What? What do we

Temazcal Meeting Room: do differently? Or can we do anything differently? Because I know everyone

Temazcal Meeting Room: here has made their very best efforts, you know, within, with the tools they have.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Yeah, you, you know.

Temazcal Meeting Room: that’s where I think the vision

Temazcal Meeting Room: for this document is a little

Temazcal Meeting Room: underperforming it. It’s really got a list of principles and

Temazcal Meeting Room: or what I would call objectives. But

Temazcal Meeting Room: no one’s done the hard work of envisioning what the bay is gonna look like

Temazcal Meeting Room: in the future.

Temazcal Meeting Room: under at least one or more scenarios. And that’s really kind of the only way you could

Temazcal Meeting Room: tease that out, I think.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and maybe that’s why they didn’t do it.

Temazcal Meeting Room: But I agree with you. I think you know what? What is the vision for the bay

Temazcal Meeting Room: bathtub

Temazcal Meeting Room: hopefully. I don’t think so. And I I think the plan has the ecological

Temazcal Meeting Room: objective or principle whatever. But yeah, how you do. That is really the the question. So

Temazcal Meeting Room: I agree.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Unsolvable problem.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Okay? I guess that concludes our comments.

Temazcal Meeting Room: There’s no further comments. Are there any further comments from anyone? I think everyone’s had a chance.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Get a

Temazcal Meeting Room: yeah. I will just say that. You know, we’ve heard a lot of the same buckets of comments over and over again. We’ve talked to hundreds of people throughout this process, and you all have a unique take on on it. And that’s like amazing. It’s much appreciated. So. Yes, thank you so much for sharing all of your great thoughts. Well, thanks for giving us the opportunity. Really appreciate it. It’s very important.

Temazcal Meeting Room: So we’re happy to contribute hopefully.

Temazcal Meeting Room: positively, for your patience and all that. Would anyone like to make a motion to adjourn.

Temazcal Meeting Room: and a second

Temazcal Meeting Room: my motion that we adjourn?

Temazcal Meeting Room: I second that motion.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Great hearing! Are there any objections?

Temazcal Meeting Room: Hearing none, the meeting is adjourned.

Temazcal Meeting Room: Thank you. Thanks. Everyone.

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